Hi Sue, in no way did you offend me. I'm thinking more along the lines of the Grinch Who Stole Christmas. The people in Whoville had more tolerance than SOME of the posters here. I've only been here since July and on this board for about a month so I will thank you for the heads up on what is in store. I just realized earlier that next Saturday is Nov 1!!! I'm not the type that is trying to "take the Christ out of Christmas" but I will be looking forward to everyone's view on that very soon!
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What part of that article do you consider "un-Christian?" I didn't see any personal attacks on Obama as a person, but on his policies which clearly go against what these Christians believe. (Possible exception - the youtube video. I have not seen it.)
Obama IS an extremely liberal Senator. I would expect him to be extremely liberal as President.
As I understand it, "We the people" will be electing our "Caesar." As a Christian, I want the one whose policies I feel will most closely align with my beliefs which I base on the Bible. There is a point where a Caesar can go against God's laws. For me, God's laws come first. And I DO feel that an Obama Presidency would result in policies that go against what the Bible teaches - abortion for example. Why is it wrong to highlight this?
It doesn't have to be done in an attacking way. The first part of the letter mentions Christians on both sides respecting and cherishing each other. My witness and testimony are most important, but there is nothing "un-Biblical" about judging actions or policies - hopefully while loving the person.
Do you not feel the Bible clearly points out what is sin and what is not? Was it un-Christ-like when Jesus threw the money changers out of the temple? Or when he pointed out sin to His followers?
I am not trying to offend you. I'm sincerely interested in another Christian's views about this.
Jesus, the son of God, didn't sigh and say "no-one is perfect". He actively condemned hypocrisy and hypocrites. Would have thought that was clear, based on the quote from Matthew.
There was reason for the condemnation. Those who profess to be leaders in a religion (whether as ministers or as Pharisees/scribes), are in positions where words and actions are observed by many. They act as role models. Therefore, the power they possess to lead astray, and the damage their words do, can be considerable. Maybe the minister quoted has repented of his words and sins no more. But it doesn't seem likely. If he did so, it was not made public, as his original invocation was!
Is it not part of the conservative ethos to state that we are responsible for our own actions? Maybe that's just selective--we excuse those with whom we agree politically/ideologically, and condemn those whose viewpoints are the opposite. But that thinking is both hypocritical (low/no moral integrity) and lacking in logic (low/no mental integrity).
Frankly, I thought it was arrogant, presumptuous, and amazingly dim for a puny human, though he might style himself a man of God, to counsel what Christianity says is an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God, on what God's politics or actions should be!
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<<Thankyou for admitting that Christians can be hateful people. So, all you have to do is believe in Christ, and that makes you a Christian? Not follow his teachings, or try to be like him? >>
That is the keyword, try.
What part of that article do you consider "un-Christian?" I didn't see any personal attacks on Obama as a person, but on his policies which clearly go against what these Christians believe. (Possible exception - the youtube video. I have not seen it.)
Obama IS an extremely liberal Senator. I would expect him to be extremely liberal as President.
As I understand it, "We the people" will be electing our "Caesar." As a Christian, I want the one whose policies I feel will most closely align with my beliefs which I base on the Bible. There is a point where a Caesar can go against God's laws. For me, God's laws come first. And I DO feel that an Obama Presidency would result in policies that go against what the Bible teaches - abortion for example. Why is it wrong to highlight this?
It doesn't have to be done in an attacking way. The first part of the letter mentions Christians on both sides respecting and cherishing each other. My witness and testimony are most important, but there is nothing "un-Biblical" about judging actions or policies - hopefully while loving the person.
Curious - what denomination are you?
You think Jesus would pat Obama on the back for his record on abortion?
ALL OF IT was un-Christian as in not something Christ would do.
I didn't know Obama or his wife had had an abortion.
To attack their faith is a below the belt insult that is for no other reason but to discredit their opinion.
Do you not feel the Bible clearly points out what is sin and what is not? Was it un-Christ-like when Jesus threw the money changers out of the temple? Or when he pointed out sin to His followers?
I am not trying to offend you. I'm sincerely interested in another Christian's views about this.
Several points.
Jesus, the son of God, didn't sigh and say "no-one is perfect". He actively condemned hypocrisy and hypocrites. Would have thought that was clear, based on the quote from Matthew.
There was reason for the condemnation. Those who profess to be leaders in a religion (whether as ministers or as Pharisees/scribes), are in positions where words and actions are observed by many. They act as role models. Therefore, the power they possess to lead astray, and the damage their words do, can be considerable. Maybe the minister quoted has repented of his words and sins no more. But it doesn't seem likely. If he did so, it was not made public, as his original invocation was!
Is it not part of the conservative ethos to state that we are responsible for our own actions? Maybe that's just selective--we excuse those with whom we agree politically/ideologically, and condemn those whose viewpoints are the opposite. But that thinking is both hypocritical (low/no moral integrity) and lacking in logic (low/no mental integrity).
Frankly, I thought it was arrogant, presumptuous, and amazingly dim for a puny human, though he might style himself a man of God, to counsel what Christianity says is an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God, on what God's politics or actions should be!
Gettingahandle
Ignorance is Nature's most abundant fuel for decision making.
Facts stifle the will, hobble conviction.
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