$8 Per Hour

iVillage Member
Registered: 10-01-2004
$8 Per Hour
23
Sat, 10-25-2008 - 7:35am

Lost in all the news reports about ACORN's fraud and corruption is this simple fact:

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-03-2008
In reply to: galanie
Sun, 10-26-2008 - 10:16am
I don't think McCain has a clue about poor people. He doesn't want to give them more of a tax cut.
iVillage Member
Registered: 10-20-2008
In reply to: galanie
Sun, 10-26-2008 - 10:21am

Are you missing the fact that Obama does not run ACORN? Is he listed on the board of directors? Human resources? Does he sign their checks? Perhaps you should write a letter to ACORN's board of directors if you are concerned about their policies.

How do you figure that ACORN is "Obama's favorite radical group"? Are you inside his head now? Channeling him perhaps? Or is this rabid speculation?

iVillage Member
Registered: 08-05-2004
In reply to: galanie
Sun, 10-26-2008 - 10:24am

A bit of sarcasm on my part ;)

iVillage Member
Registered: 10-01-2004
In reply to: galanie
Mon, 10-27-2008 - 7:29am
ACORN leaders have been trained by Obama; his campaign has contributed thousands of $$ to ACORN; together with other Democrats Obama supports giving of public funds to ACORN.
iVillage Member
Registered: 10-20-2008
In reply to: galanie
Mon, 10-27-2008 - 8:09am

Interestingly you failed to answer the questions I posed. Perhaps you were unable to find links to support your claims? I am not surprised, as I was not able to find credible links to support your claims either. I did find this however:

• In 1992, Obama directed Project Vote, "an arm of ACORN that also encouraged voter registration," according to the McCain campaign. Obama did direct Project Vote, but it is a separate organization from ACORN. This year, Project Vote and ACORN worked together on a nationwide voter registration drive, and they have worked together on other initiatives in the past. But they are separate organizations. We didn't find any evidence to indicate they had a relationship during the 1992 Illinois drive. And even if they did, Obama clearly directed the drive for the Project Vote organization. We couldn't find any allegations of impropriety related to the 1992 drive. We rate this statement False.

• The McCain campaign says Obama was "a trial attorney for ACORN." Obama represented ACORN in a voter registration case, but he was not a staff attorney. Obama worked for the civil rights firm Miner, Barnhill and Galland. He represented ACORN along with other plaintiffs in a case against the governor of Illinois, demanding that the state better enforce a new federal law known as "motor voter," which allowed people to register to vote when they got their driver's license. We rated this statement Half True.

During the third presidential debate, McCain made the additional charge that the Obama campaign directed campaign money to ACORN, calling the group "the same front outfit organization that your campaign gave $832,000 for 'lighting and site selection.'"

Here's what we know about that allegation: The Obama campaign paid a group called Citizens' Services $832,386 during the primaries. (For comparison, the Obama campaign has spent an overall $391-million through August 2008.) Some of the expenditures are listed as sound, stage and lighting, and others are listed as get-out-the-vote efforts. ACORN has said Citizens Services subcontracted out part of the get-out-the-vote work to ACORN, but ACORN officials say it was "a small amount." The Obama campaign said it paid Citizens' Services, who in turn paid $80,000 to ACORN. The two groups share offices in New Orleans.

We can confirm through campaign finance public records that Obama paid Citizens' Services, but we can't independently confirm what part of the contract ACORN actually received, so we are not ruling on that statement. We're including the facts of the matter here for our readers to consider for themselves.

From FactCheck.org:
"As for "teaching classes" for the group, the McCain campaign cites a March 2008 Newsday article, which says that ACORN organizer Madeleine Talbot "initially considered Obama a competitor" when both were working to get asbestos insulation removed from a Chicago housing project, but that "she became so impressed with his work that she invited him to help train her staff." Newsday does not say whether Obama accepted the invitation. An article by Chicago alderman Toni Foulkes says that "we have invited Obama to our leadership training sessions to run the session on power every year" between 1992 and 2004, when the article was written. The Obama campaign says that Obama participated in two, one-hour trainings in a volunteer capacity. Foulkes could not be reached for comment."

I don't think your original assertions are quite true - they do however have the appearance of 'truthiness' which I suppose has been good enough for McCain.

Avatar for songwright
iVillage Member
Registered: 06-28-1997
In reply to: galanie
Mon, 10-27-2008 - 8:53am

~ SW

iVillage Member
Registered: 04-17-2003
In reply to: galanie
Mon, 10-27-2008 - 1:47pm

So funny, still what part of 'Obama doesn't work with ACORN' do you not understand?


This whole kick is nothing more than setting up the blame game when McCain loses.

 

iVillage Member
Registered: 04-04-2001
In reply to: galanie
Mon, 10-27-2008 - 4:48pm

Obama trained ACORN leaders, supported providing federal funds to ACORN, promised ACORN leaders they would be consulted by his administration, and paid campaign funds from his campaign to ACORN. . .that constitutes being pretty involved and supportive!

iVillage Member
Registered: 10-20-2008
In reply to: galanie
Mon, 10-27-2008 - 4:51pm
Links?
iVillage Member
Registered: 09-26-2008
In reply to: galanie
Mon, 10-27-2008 - 4:59pm
You'll get stuff from newsmuck, faux, and