That's right. Reminds me of that kids story ??, about the chicken doing all the work, then everyone wanted to reap the rewards. Forget exactly what it was called.
Who exactly is 'trying to reap all these rewards?'
My gosh, McCain runs around making all these irrational claims about Obama, and people actually believe that nonsense? This is the old rumour chain trick... take a comment, filter it through a thousand people, and see what the last says the rumour is.
Obama is no socialist. He proposes tax changes that are essentially a tweaking of 1990s rates, a time when this nation prospered, so it wasn't all that bad. Had Bush not cut taxes, no one would call the rates bad, no one was even ticked about them then. And no one said 'we need to cut these rates because they are socialist!'
Taxes are necessary. Obama's plan makes sense, and it has absolutely no connection to socialism.
LOL, yes, a classic socialist program would call for something like that. But then, how on earth can people call European countries socialist? There is no government control of production or distribution in the EU. Also, a plan to rescind the Bush tax breaks surely has nothing to do with putting the government in charge of production, does it?
The only thing that has come up in this election season that fits your definition is the feds taking over AIG.
ETA: The other example of socialism that has come up in this campaign is the communal ownership of the energy resources of Alaska. That is classic socialism as well. In fact, the reason we overthrew the Iranian government in the 50s was that Mossadegh (a socialist) was planning to nationalize Iran's oil.
LOL, no, of course not. The idea that a progressive tax rate amounts to marxism (which by the way is not socialism) is at best silly. Even by your own definition of socialism it does not hold, even a little bit. There is nothing in his statement that remotely suggests any desire to put the means of production in the hands of the government.
LOL, wow! Really? First of all we are not talking a "heavy" progression here, and secondly by itself a progressive tax rate IS. NOT. SOCIALISM. Galanie correctly defined socialism as government control of production and distribution, which would be all those other points on that list.
I see free public education is on the list too. If your argument were any good, the US would already have been a socialist country for a long, long time, as long as it has had a public school system.
Between Obama's proposal to increase income taxes, increase payroll taxes (which will, in effect become an income tax surtax, since he's not proposing that there be any increase in benefits for those who are required to pay extra...) it pushes the federal portion of the tax burden to 43% of marginal income dollars (or more, depending on how his Social Security surtax finally shapes up).
Given that the top 5% already pay 41% of the income tax bill (on 26% of the income) how much more do you feel is necessary for it to be considered "heavy"?
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Who exactly is 'trying to reap all these rewards?'
My gosh, McCain runs around making all these irrational claims about Obama, and people actually believe that nonsense? This is the old rumour chain trick... take a comment, filter it through a thousand people, and see what the last says the rumour is.
Obama is no socialist. He proposes tax changes that are essentially a tweaking of 1990s rates, a time when this nation prospered, so it wasn't all that bad. Had Bush not cut taxes, no one would call the rates bad, no one was even ticked about them then. And no one said 'we need to cut these rates because they are socialist!'
Taxes are necessary. Obama's plan makes sense, and it has absolutely no connection to socialism.
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Socialists want the government to own or control the production/distribution of everything. . .including pie!
LOL, yes, a classic socialist program would call for something like that. But then, how on earth can people call European countries socialist? There is no government control of production or distribution in the EU. Also, a plan to rescind the Bush tax breaks surely has nothing to do with putting the government in charge of production, does it?
The only thing that has come up in this election season that fits your definition is the feds taking over AIG.
ETA: The other example of socialism that has come up in this campaign is the communal ownership of the energy resources of Alaska. That is classic socialism as well. In fact, the reason we overthrew the Iranian government in the 50s was that Mossadegh (a socialist) was planning to nationalize Iran's oil.
Edited 10/31/2008 8:22 am ET by sild
You don't think Obama's stated intention to redistribute income falls within socialist Karl Marx's dictate:
The idea that a progressive tax rate amounts to marxism (which by the way is not socialism) is at best silly.
Actually, if you go back and check the Communist Manifesto, you'll note that
LOL, wow! Really? First of all we are not talking a "heavy" progression here, and secondly by itself a progressive tax rate IS. NOT. SOCIALISM. Galanie correctly defined socialism as government control of production and distribution, which would be all those other points on that list.
I see free public education is on the list too. If your argument were any good, the US would already have been a socialist country for a long, long time, as long as it has had a public school system.
All depends on what you consider "heavy"
Between Obama's proposal to increase income taxes, increase payroll taxes (which will, in effect become an income tax surtax, since he's not proposing that there be any increase in benefits for those who are required to pay extra...) it pushes the federal portion of the tax burden to 43% of marginal income dollars (or more, depending on how his Social Security surtax finally shapes up).
Given that the top 5% already pay 41% of the income tax bill (on 26% of the income) how much more do you feel is necessary for it to be considered "heavy"?
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