Sarah on 1st Amendment: So Dumb it Hurts

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Sarah on 1st Amendment: So Dumb it Hurts
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Fri, 10-31-2008 - 9:15pm
Friday Oct. 31, 2008 13:38 EDT

Sarah Palin speaks on the First Amendment

(updated below - Update II - Update III)


Glenn Greenwald

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/10/31/palin/


Somehow, in Sarah Palin's brain, it's a threat to the First Amendment when newspapers criticize her negative attacks on Barack Obama.

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Sat, 11-01-2008 - 8:13pm

The first post in this thread has not been deleted. Do you have that poster on ignore?


FYI - it was an editorial by Glenn Greenwald and it can be found here http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/10/31/palin/.

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Sat, 11-01-2008 - 8:57pm

" In my opinion, someone who has a fundamental view that the Constitution is "flawed" and that our founders, and the country, have had a perpetual "blindspot" isn't someone who I could credit with an "excellent grasp of the Constitution."

But you think someone who states the constitution establishes a Christian Nation has an excellent grasp of the constitution ?

What are your thoughts on the first amendment, does it establish a Christian Nation, or does it forbid the establisment of ANY religion.

I have noticed that not ONE McCain supporter wants to respond to this very very wrong statement he has made in regards to the constitution.

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Registered: 10-20-2008
Sat, 11-01-2008 - 9:51pm

>>> But you think someone who states the constitution establishes a Christian Nation has an excellent grasp of the constitution ?

McCain clarified his comment...""What I do mean to say is the United States of America was founded on the values of Judeo-Christian values, which were translated by our founding fathers which is basically the rights of human dignity and human rights,"

But in comparison, McCain expressed a perception about the Constitution that ends with observation. Obama, on the other hand, expressed a perception about the Constitution that indicates a personal desire to alter it, or correct it's "flaws" legislatively. A HUGE difference.

>>> What are your thoughts on the first amendment, does it establish a Christian Nation, or does it forbid the establisment of ANY religion.

Neither...it "prohibits" Congress from establishing a national religion, or the free practice of religion.

>>> I have noticed that not ONE McCain supporter wants to respond to this very very wrong statement he has made in regards to the constitution.

I disagree with McCain's original statement, but I agree with his clarification.

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Sat, 11-01-2008 - 9:57pm

Yes, I heard him back peddle after that gaffe.

The point is, in an effort to pander to the Christian Nationalists, he stated that the constitution has already established a Christian Nation. It does not.

Christianity does not have a monopoly on concepts such as human dignity and human rights. These are Universal values NOT exclusively Christian values.

And considering that during the founding days of our country, Indians were slaughter and blacks were enslaved, I honestly don't understand why anyone would want to claim that those were "Christian values" anyway.

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Sat, 11-01-2008 - 10:21pm

((((In my opinion, someone who has a fundamental view that the Constitution is "flawed" and that our founders, and the country, have had a perpetual "blindspot" isn't someone who I could credit with an "excellent grasp of the Constitution."))))


As a woman, how can you think that the Constitution is NOT flawed? Women had to fight for the right to vote. A perfect document would

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Sat, 11-01-2008 - 11:28pm

>>> The point is, in an effort to pander to the Christian Nationalists, he stated that the constitution has already established a Christian Nation. It does not.

And Obama insulted a HUGE segment of the population by saying they clinged to their guns and religion. Do we really need to do a tit-for-tat gaffe-fest?

>>> Christianity does not have a monopoly on concepts such as human dignity and human rights. These are Universal values NOT exclusively Christian values.

True, they are not exclusively Christian values, but this country was, indeed, founded on Judeo-Christian values, and our country and government still maintain strong links and traditions.

>>> And considering that during the founding days of our country, Indians were slaughter and blacks were enslaved, I honestly don't understand why anyone would want to claim that those were "Christian values" anyway.

Generally speaking, indians weren't slaughtered or blacks enslaved as a means of promoting Christianity or it's value system.

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Sat, 11-01-2008 - 11:51pm

>>> As a woman, how can you think that the Constitution is NOT flawed?

It is imperfect, but not fundamentally flawed.

>>> Women had to fight for the right to vote. A perfect document would have included women, right?

No, why do you say that?

>>> And not considered Black people - people.

That's absurd. Of course it considered Blacks "people"...the "3/5 of a person" referred to government representation and taxes.

>>> And to the contrary, what is dangerous for our country is to elect ignorant leaders, like Palin, and Bush43 to some extent, who are supposed to protect and uphold the Constitution, but instead DO NOT even have a teeny tiny clue as to what they are talking about, as they SHRED and MISINTERPRET the Constitution. Then, to add insult to injury, Palin PRETENDS to know what is IN the Constitution, knowing good and well that she does NOT know and does NOT UNDERSTAND the meaning behind the Constitution. Is she so arrogant as to think that she is 'fooling' people with her jibber-jabber?

Actually, it's Obama, your Presidential candidate, not your VP who's "Constitutionally ignorant"...as well as ignorant on the economy and ignorant on military matters and ignorant on foreign policy...and has proven it all over and over again by his responses to issues and situations that have faced the country in the past few years. And not only is he inexperienced, but he stinks of corruption and radicalism, compared to McCain's experience and integrity.

But if you want to discuss VPs...Palin is a qualified executive with a proven record of bi-partisanship and reform. She is a quick study, and under McCain's tutelage, she will soon become and expert in matters of the economy and foreign policy. Biden, on the other hand, like Obama, has been wrong on every major issue facing the country in the last decade, and presents himself as the court Jester of the Obama campaign.

>>> A person that lies is disrespecting the listener.

Welcome to Obamaland...a land of disrespect.

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Sun, 11-02-2008 - 1:17am

Really?

 

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Registered: 03-27-2003
Sun, 11-02-2008 - 1:29am

No, Native Americans had their children ripped from them and were forced into Christian boarding schools, many so called "Christian" arguments were used to condone slavery.

Some of our founding fathers were Deists and Free Masons.

So much for your Christian Nation theory.

Christians do NOT own this nation. America belongs to ALL it's people, not just the Christian ones.

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Registered: 09-26-2008
Sun, 11-02-2008 - 1:34am
There are some on here who would have no problem reintroducing slavery.

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