Minnesota Will Show Any Voting Tricks

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Registered: 08-20-2008
Minnesota Will Show Any Voting Tricks
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Wed, 11-05-2008 - 10:07am

A recount is coming in the Franken Coleman Senate race in Minnesota. This may be the window that Florida never was in 2000 because there was never a statewide recount and Ohio never was in 2004 because Kerry did not pursue a statewide recount.

Let's dig into this America. Let's see what's really going on with our voting system. Republicans say the Democrats are manipulating the system and the Democrats say the reverse is true. Let's see what is really going on here with the vote. Unfortunately this will not touch voter registration as much, but at least it will touch the voting process.

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7793512&version=39&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

As for registration, it's time we allow all Americans to vote without needless paperwork. If a citizen can get a drivers license or a passport that should be enough to allow her or him to vote. There should be a statewide database to verify of course. I'm thinking something is rotten in Denmark, but I could be wrong.

iVillage Member
Registered: 08-29-2008
Wed, 11-05-2008 - 4:20pm
I only believe in suppressing ILLEGAL votes. If you can't prove you are who you say you are, you should not be allowed to vote. Simple as that.
iVillage Member
Registered: 08-20-2008
Wed, 11-05-2008 - 6:15pm

"I said what I don't like about him. He is angry and bitter."

Well, it's funny that a bunch of Republicans say he isn't serious enough. You say he's too serious. Whatever.

So you don't like his attitude. What a surprise! You never like any Democrat you ever say anything about, so the fact that you are talking about Franken means you're going to trash him. Big deal.

Fact is, you are talking about subjective attitudes. I am talking about flat out objective corruption and incompetence. Proven. That's Norm Coleman. A Fox-Republican official or politicians (fop) through and through. I've posted all the links showing the corruption Coleman managed to get involved in during his single term. You don't care. It's very telling.

Just look at Stevens. Another crook. A convicted felon in fact. And what is he doing? Running for reelection. And, this is really insane, getting a whole bunch of Republicans to reelect him on his I'm a convicted felon who abused your trust for my personal gain platform. Same goes for sitting disgraced Republican fop Senators Craig (no he's not out yet) and Vitter. The fops are a disgrace.

No ifs ands or buts. The fops are a complete and total disgrace. They tolerate incompetence and corruption to a level that is amazing, especially since they proclaimed they were more competent and more moral than everyone else.

I sincerely hope the Republicans go away for a long time and get their act together. I say a long time because that's how messed up they are. It's going to take a long time for them to go through the five stages of grief. They are stuck in stage 1: denial.

Here is a reminder of the Coleman corruption:

"You ought to take a careful look at your Republican Senator before leap to the conclusion that this guy is miraculously different from all those other slimeball Republican Senators like Stevens, Craig and Vitter.

You want the link showing why Norm is on the honorable mention list of the most slimy politicians in Washington? Here it is. And this is from an equal opportunity watchdog group that does not discriminate between slimy Democrats or Republicans:

"Senator Norm Coleman (R-MN) is a first-term senator, representing Minnesota. His ethics issues stem from lodging he accepted in violation of the Senate gifts rule.

Failure to Pay Rent

When in Washington, Sen. Coleman lives in a basement apartment in the Capitol Hill townhouse of Republican operative Jeff Larson. Mr. Larson runs FLS Connect, a telemarketing firm, which has been paid over $1.4 million since 2001 by Sen. Coleman’s leadership political action committee (PAC) and two campaign committees. Mr. Larson is also the treasurer of Sen. Coleman’s PAC and provides it with office space in St. Paul, MN. Adding to the relationship between the pair, Mr. Larson’s wife, Dorene Kainz, had been employed as a casework supervisor in Sen. Coleman’s St. Paul office, though after a news organization questioned Sen. Coleman about this, his staff announced that she would leave the office on July 10, 2008.

Over the past year, Sen. Coleman appears to have accepted lodging from Mr. Larson for at least three months without paying the agreed upon rent until caught by National Journal. Although Sen. Coleman paid $1,200 and Mr. Larson cashed a check for an additional $600 after National Journal questioned the pair about the payments, the fact that the payments were not made until flagged by the media heightens rather than diminishes the concerns over Sen. Coleman’s conduct. Sen. Coleman’s repeated missed rent and utility payments, and Mr. Larson’s failure to cash Sen. Coleman’s check suggest that Mr. Larson was not, in fact, necessarily expecting payment. Moreover, it is unclear whether the $600 rental rate represents the fair market value of the apartment considering other rental rates in the Capitol Hill neighborhood. After touring Sen. Coleman’s apartment, a Minneapolis Star Tribune reporter wrote that the space is not extravagant but well kept and renovated. A spokesman for Sen. Coleman said, according to their research, the senator is paying fair market value, but a Minnesota political group reported similar apartments on Capitol Hill rent for $1,100 to $1,450.

Because lodging clearly falls within the Senate’s definition of “gift,” Sen. Coleman appears to have violated the Senate gifts rule by accepting free lodging from Mr. Larson, someone who financially benefits from his relationship with the senator. Further complicating the issue is the question of whether the salary paid to Mr. Larson’s wife as an employee in Sen. Coleman’s office might constitute the true payment of the rent. Also troubling is the fact that Sen. Coleman paid his back rent, and Mr. Larson cashed Sen. Coleman’s checks, only once the media began questioning the living arrangement. Finally, by failing to pay his utility bills, which were valued at $532.88 – well over the $49.99 permissible gift limit -- Sen. Coleman accepted an improper gift from Mr. Larson.

On July 1, 2008, CREW filed a complaint with the Senate Select Committee on Ethics requesting an investigation into this matter to determine whether Sen. Coleman has violated the Senate gifts rule."

http://www.crewsmostcorrupt.org/node/429/print

This is not to mention Coleman's latest scandal resulting in a lawsuit against him.

"Suit Alleges Ally Funneled $75,000 to Colemans

By Paul McEnroe and Tony Kennedy, Star Tribune (Minneapolis-St. Paul)

October 31, 2008

A Texas businessman has filed a lawsuit alleging that Minnesota multimillionaire Nasser Kazeminy used his Houston marine company to funnel $75,000 to Sen. Norm Coleman last year via a Minneapolis insurance company that employs the senator's wife.

Coleman adamantly denies the claims in the lawsuit. "This is a vicious, defamatory attack on the senator and his wife less than one week before the election," Cullen Sheehan, Coleman's campaign manager, said Thursday.

The company, Deep Marine Technology, is controlled by Kazeminy, a close friend of Coleman's and a longtime campaign contributor.

The allegations about Coleman were among the claims in the suit over corporate practices filed Monday by Deep Marine's former CEO, Paul McKim, who founded the company in 2001. The suit was withdrawn later Monday during a flurry of settlement negotiations but was refiled Thursday after those talks failed, said Casey Wallace, a lawyer for McKim. Robert Weinstine, listed in the lawsuit as Kazeminy's Minneapolis attorney, did not return phone calls seeking comment.

"

http://www.crewsmostcorrupt.org/node/802/print

More:

"Norm Coleman Facing Questions About Donor's Payment Of Clothes
By AHN Staff, AHN

October 9, 2008

St. Paul, MN (AHN) - With the critics still insisting that his special living arrangements still constitute illegal gifts, Sen. Norm Coleman (R-MN) is now being hounded by accusations that he has also received donor gifts in the form of clothes from an upscale retail store.

Harper's magazine published a report on its website early this week saying Minnesota businessman Nasser Kazeminy, one of first-term senator's top donors, had paid for "lavish clothing purchases" by Coleman at Neiman Marcus in Minneapolis.

Kazeminy was previously reported as having allegedly paid for trips Coleman made to the Bahamas some years ago.

The two unidentified people quoted by the magazine as sources of the report on clothing purchases are uncertain of the dates of the bills. Coleman had served as mayor before becoming senator five years ago. "

http://www.crewsmostcorrupt.org/node/663"

iVillage Member
Registered: 08-29-2008
Wed, 11-05-2008 - 6:39pm

You are incorrect. I don't know who you think you are talking to, but I have not trashed all Democrats. In fact I've said nice things about Hillary Clinton AND Bill Clinton before on this board. I don't remember speaking of very many other Democrats except Biden and Obama.

I said I don't live in Mn, so I really don't care that much who you elect. I think Franken is angry and bitter and does not portray your party well. That's ALL I think of him. I haven't researched this race or the issues. I think FRANKEN is a very angry bitter man, that's all.

Republicans do not put up with corruption like the Democrats do. I know that Stephens was re-elected, but he will have to resign if his conviction is not overturned. Then Governor Palin can appoint someone to replace him.

Current Democrats in office:

1) Someone who ran off a bridge while driving drunk with a mistress in the car. Instead of alerting authorities, he went to his hotel room and slept it off while the mistress drowned in the car. If he had gotten help sooner, she would have probably lived. Instead of being tried or going to jail, Democrats have elected him to the U.S. Senate for the last 40 years.

2) A former leader of the KKK continues to be re-elected for past 30 to 40 years.

3) A man who was caught with $90,000.00 of BRIBE MONEY in his freezer. Democrat still serving in the United States Congress.

There's a start, but there are plenty more. Seems disingenuous to me to try to paint Republicans with the corruption charge when your own house is so full of it.

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-25-2006
Wed, 11-05-2008 - 7:06pm
Not to mention the chairman of the House Ways and Means committee, the one that doesn't understand taxes and the fact that he must pay them too. OOOps he also used campain funds for personal legal expenses.


iVillage Member
Registered: 04-02-2008
Wed, 11-05-2008 - 9:08pm
It is mandatory in Minnesota to do a recount when the margin is so small.
iVillage Member
Registered: 04-02-2008
Wed, 11-05-2008 - 9:10pm

What did you think of Barkley?

iVillage Member
Registered: 04-02-2008
Wed, 11-05-2008 - 9:12pm
Victoria I am a republican and a Minnesotan and I wanted to blast soupy for any thought that there would be fraud. I agree with your post, we all should be able to vote.
iVillage Member
Registered: 10-12-2008
Wed, 11-05-2008 - 9:14pm
Yes I agree.

iVillage Member
Registered: 08-20-2008
Wed, 11-05-2008 - 9:26pm

"I don't know who you think you are talking to, but I have not trashed all Democrats. "

And then you say in the same post no less:

"Current Democrats in office:

1) Someone who ran off a bridge while driving drunk with a mistress in the car. Instead of alerting authorities, he went to his hotel room and slept it off while the mistress drowned in the car. If he had gotten help sooner, she would have probably lived. Instead of being tried or going to jail, Democrats have elected him to the U.S. Senate for the last 40 years.

2) A former leader of the KKK continues to be re-elected for past 30 to 40 years.

3) A man who was caught with $90,000.00 of BRIBE MONEY in his freezer. Democrat still serving in the United States Congress.

There's a start, but there are plenty more."

All I can say is, huh? Do you see the contradictions between these two statements?

Here is another recent posts of yours that came to mind:

On Biden: "I think I've covered that. I have always thought he was an idiot, and have said so."

And somehow I am guessing that you had prior names before chillychillychilly in which you may have said other nasty things about Democrats.

iVillage Member
Registered: 10-12-2008
Wed, 11-05-2008 - 9:28pm

And somehow I am guessing that you had prior names before


pot kettle black??