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| Thu, 11-06-2008 - 11:50am |
I usually don't agree with the National Review - but this seems to be a
| Thu, 11-06-2008 - 11:50am |
I usually don't agree with the National Review - but this seems to be a
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…and 12 million of them were illegal.
Canada probably also has significant savings when folks die waiting for treatment. ; ) You’ve also got faux numbers there…Canada’s GOVERNMENT spends 10.7% of their GDP…the numbers you provide for the US are estimates because the bulk of our health care isn’t paid for by the government. Expect costs to shoot through the roof if Obama socializes our health care system, when it will become part of the overall budget and subject to the kind of government oversight we’ve come to know and love with the DMV and Medicaid systems.
Read the articles again...they weren't talking about how great Canada's health care system is.
>>> I am an adjudicator of unemployment compensation claims. We do a pretty fair job of managing our programme. (Currently involved in testing our new computer system.)
I've had the opportunity to experience the unemployment program and to watch friends do the same...and to be fair...I'd have to say, that with due consideration to the immensity of the program, I'm impressed at how badly it works.
>>> Social security is a very efficient programme. People will complain about rates and insolvency or such things, but that is a political animal, not inefficiency.
Tell that to the folks who don't get their checks or who get shorted by the system.
>>> There are other viable solutions. In another life, I worked with p&c insurance, obtaining reinsurance and such - including determining what was a proper cost, how much to cede, whether we should pay it or not, whether to do excess or p/r, excess and then two reinsurers p/r above that... you get the idea, its complicated, but it serves to control exposure and risk. I could draw up the broad parameters of a plan that would merge public and private and probably work pretty nicely, with everyone covered, with no government involvement other than on the periphery and as regulator.
You should have called Obama before the election.
>>> The trouble is getting everyone to sit and talk and let go of their special interests. I don't see consumers as having such - everyone else involved, yes.
Consumers just want what they pay for.
You’ve also got faux numbers there…Canada’s GOVERNMENT spends 10.7% of their GDP…
And amazingly, Canada balances its budget! By the way, ours is estimated at 15.2% of GDP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_the_United_States
Keep tossing the scaremongering stuff about Canadian health care.
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"You have no power over my body..." ~ Anne Hutchinson
So you think an extra 2,500 a year per person is worth what we get?
You think it is worth 50 million not having insurance at all? Look at the figures you've tossed out here, and look at what I have shared... then factor in they cover everyone...
and we don't.
I don't think our version is better, and everything shared by you and me reflects this.
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Full length fiction: worlds undone
"You have no power over my body..." ~ Anne Hutchinson
Right, it works badly... it varies by state, but we are pretty damn good at what we do. Think about the numbers of claimants and that they generally get payment for the prior week, in states with paper cheques, inside of days after claiming the last week.
Yeah, real inefficient. I have a reminder in my work station, a woman wrote to me, thanked me for making the whole process more human - she included a picture of her young son, explained how he was autistic - to find that level of sharing is a vivid reminder that this all involves real people... and the people I work with give a hoot.
Full length fiction: http://llhaesa.org/ (pronounced la.hay.ess.sa)
Full length fiction: worlds undone
"You have no power over my body..." ~ Anne Hutchinson
>>> So you think an extra 2,500 a year per person is worth what we get?
Possibly...but it's probably a more case by case thing.
>>> You think it is worth 50 million not having insurance at all? Look at the figures you've tossed out here, and look at what I have shared... then factor in they cover everyone...
Apparently they don't do it very well...and their system doesn't sound appealing.
>>> and we don't.
Actually, we do...but not with personal insurance. We also cover 12 million illegals that aren't weighing down the Canadian system (hence that extra $2500), but I'd be happy to point them all north to a "better way of life." LOL!
>>> I don't think our version is better, and everything shared by you and me reflects this.
I think our version is better than socialized medicine but it could, obviously use improvement. Personally, I'd rather see a modification of the medicaid program, rather than trying to reinvent the wheel with policies that have proven ineffective elsewhere.
>>> Right, it works badly... it varies by state, but we are pretty damn good at what we do. Think about the numbers of claimants and that they generally get payment for the prior week, in states with paper cheques, inside of days after claiming the last week.
I do appreciate the enormity of the program...which is why I said I was impressed...but it does work badly...unless my friends and I are coincidental anomalies.
>>> Yeah, real inefficient. I have a reminder in my work station, a woman wrote to me, thanked me for making the whole process more human - she included a picture of her young son, explained how he was autistic - to find that level of sharing is a vivid reminder that this all involves real people... and the people I work with give a hoot.
I'm not offering a critique of you or the people you work with...but I am saying that I've had personal experience, as well as observing the experiences of others close to me, who have run afoul of government run systems like unemployment, medicaid and welfare. And these weren't just simple errors that were quickly cleared up...these were errors that resulted in the immediate loss of benefits that put people's lives (personal circumstances, not biological) at risk. And the solution of the caring government workers?...screw your life, get back in line and fill the forms out again...hope you can survive in the interim. Personally, I'd rather my health care didn't work the same way.
>>> And amazingly, Canada balances its budget! By the way, ours is estimated at 15.2% of GDP.
Easy to do when you don't have to provide for national defense.
>>> Keep tossing the scaremongering stuff about Canadian health care.
You probably didn't notice, but I wasn't the author of those articles.
Our health care system is actually a whole lot better than most people think.
I work with individuals who have no job, who are addicted to various drugs, who have had their kids taken away, who have criminal backgrounds...And many of them have better access to health care than I do, and I work a full time job attempting to treat them.
There are many myths to which people who do not know what is really going on love to subscribe.
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