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A good first step I think.
| Wed, 11-12-2008 - 5:12pm |
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/11/obama.executive.orders/index.html
A thorough review of these should help bolster his promises of change, though he'll still have to carry through and not just review them.

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A thorough review of these should help bolster his promises of change, though he'll still have to carry through and not just review them.
Sopal
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"Closing Gitmo is foolish...Obama will end up releasing terrorists on to America's streets."
If these people are so guilty, how come we have not been able to prove it over the past six years? If we don't have the evidence, do you think we will get it now? Are you suggesting we just hold these people indefinitely without a trial or the evidence to prove they are guilty? How do you think that will look? How do you think this has looked?
You see, there are a billion Muslim people in the world. They are not happy with this and with good cause. If just 1% of them decide to take arms with al Qaeda, that's 1 million people. That's well over the size of our entire standing army.
You can't have it both ways. You can't treat an ethnic group like dirt and expect them not to hurt you for it. This is another stupid fight we don't need by Bush.
Here's what we need to do. We need to become a beacon of hope again, not a symbol of oppression. And we need to catch or kill bin Ladin for heaven's sake.
The world was with us against bin Ladin after 9/11. Then Bush and the Republicans ran us into a deep deep ditch. Closing Gitmo is the first step of getting out.
"Executive Order 10995 (Kennedy) - Gov't can seize and control all media
Executive Order 10998 - Allows US gov't to take over all food supplies and farms (YIKES)
Executive Order 11000 - Enables US gov't to mobilize civilians into work brigades under gov't supervision (YIKES)
Executive Order 11001 - Enables US gov't control of all health, education and welfare functions"
And when has any Democratic President, or Republican for that matter, ever done this? With respect, I think your priorities in overturning these long ignored orders are a bit off. We've got our government torturing people, spying on us without a warrant and waging unnecessary wars. One step at a time!
ITA. Thank God for the stem cells. I have a close family member who lost 8 years because Rove and Bush held this up. All the while Rove was running around the White House calling the religious right to which they were pandering "the nuts". These people are garbage.
And I for one would like to ask for one little thing. That the Bush Administration be held to the law. Why is that so much to ask? If they broke the law, why can't they be treated like the ordinary people who elected them to enforce and execute the law?
And when has any Democratic President, or Republican for that matter, ever done this? With respect, I think your priorities in overturning these long ignored orders are a bit off. We've got our government torturing people, spying on us without a warrant and waging unnecessary wars. One step at a time!
Who cares about the "when".............I care about the ABILITY
Liberals are way off in caring so much about what the rest of the world thinks about the US
Our allies have fully cooperated in helping to stop terrorist attacks before they got to the US, and promoting free trade.
And if waterboarding prevents another attack on the US, I fully support it
Edited 11/12/2008 9:47 pm ET by antisocialist
"Who cares about the "when".............I care about the ABILITY"
Okay, so let's say you go on a Crusade and succeed in repealing these orders. What's to prevent the next President from reinstating them? There's only one way to stop crazy people. Deterrence and the threat of what normally happens when people break the law. Jail. You see, a nutty immoral Administration like the Bush Administration is chock full of people who can't help themselves. They will break the law all over the place. That's what the law is for. To stop people like that.
"Liberals are way off in caring so much about what the rest of the world thinks about the US"
You are way off in not caring how over one billion Muslim people, or three times the population of the US, will react when we violate international law in torturing Muslims. Instead you seem hung up over strange conspiracy theories like a nutty President using an obscure Executive Order to take over all of the nation's food supplies.
"Our allies have fully cooperated in helping to stop terrorist attacks before they got to the US, and promoting free trade."
Interesting. By your logic, or lack thereof, we should shut down our national defense because our allies will stop terrorist attacks. And what does free trade have to do with any of this? I am really not following you here.
"And if waterboarding prevents another attack on the US, I fully support it"
So you support torture. All evidence is that torture works no better than any other technique in extracting information. Lincoln knew this, which is why he prohibited torture in what became the basis for the Geneva Convention. But when people are for torture, who cares about the evidence or history I guess. It's so much more fun to be like despotic regimes like . . . . but you see I won't degenerate.
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