Won't torture Obama? Not good enough!

iVillage Member
Registered: 08-20-2008
Won't torture Obama? Not good enough!
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Mon, 11-17-2008 - 11:05pm

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/11/obama_advisers_no_charges_like.php

This is not what we elected you for Obama. If you don't change our inJustice Department back to the Justice Department, you will lose us.

It's not enough to momentarily turn off the torture during your Administration and turn a blind eye to the widespread atrocities the seniormost Republican politicians and officials committed right before you.

If you commit a crime in this country, you don't get to get away with it just because the people elected you and put their trust in you. Just the opposite.

We want justice President-elect Obama. Do it quietly. No need for big fan fare. Just do it.

Please remember Obama, you need us. Without we, the people you are nothing. Sometimes politicians lead. Sometimes the people do. If you don't show some leadership on this issue, we will.

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iVillage Member
Registered: 04-02-2008
Mon, 11-17-2008 - 11:09pm

He has to define torture first.

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-25-2007
Mon, 11-17-2008 - 11:28pm

From your cite:


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iVillage Member
Registered: 03-25-2007
Mon, 11-17-2008 - 11:30pm
No he doesn't.

Sopal

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iVillage Member
Registered: 08-20-2008
Mon, 11-17-2008 - 11:34pm

"There are international definitions of torture that were used before Bush became president"

You are darned right. It wasn't so hard to define under Obama's idol Lincoln, who banned it and set the precedent for the Geneva Convention.

The term only became contorted when the torturers got into power.

iVillage Member
Registered: 01-12-2007
Tue, 11-18-2008 - 10:41pm

I have a guy that lives around the corner from us.

   

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-25-2007
Tue, 11-18-2008 - 11:09pm
I have a guy I love very much who has been to Iraq also.

Sopal

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iVillage Member
Registered: 03-26-2003
Tue, 11-18-2008 - 11:19pm

Your neighbor, if he's still active duty military, is most emphatically NOT a smart man. He should know damn good and well that waterboarding has been removed from the list of allowed techniques in the Army field manual on interrogation.

If your neighbor decided to act on his sticker, he'd be at risk of being court martialed.

Gettingahandle


Ignorance is Nature's most abundant fuel for decision making.


Facts stifle the will, hobble conviction.

Gettingahandle

Ignorance is Nature's most abundant fuel for decision making.

iVillage Member
Registered: 07-04-2008
Tue, 11-18-2008 - 11:24pm

>>...because he knows that torture doesn't necessarily result in good intel...<<

wasn't it John McCain who told his torturers that NFL football players were on his squadron? I really don't believe that torture works, either. But it does make the US look bad.

iVillage Member
Registered: 01-28-2004
Tue, 11-18-2008 - 11:30pm

Will Obama still allow "oh purty please"?


Then he will bring the detainees in Guantanamo to the states and turn them loose.


Don't forget to lock your door.

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-26-2003
Wed, 11-19-2008 - 12:42am

Hogwash. They're talking about perhaps shifting some of the prisoners to Camp Pendleton, or one of the other CONUS military installations which has enough security to keep prisoners from presenting an escape hazard.

IMHO, a change in physical locale is just window-dressing. Closing Guantanamo is meaningless if it is not followed up by due process, fair and speedy trial, and a just sentence where warranted. Keeping prisoners without those measures is a violation of the Constitution, POW or not!

Gettingahandle


Ignorance is Nature's most abundant fuel for decision making.


Facts stifle the will, hobble conviction.

Gettingahandle

Ignorance is Nature's most abundant fuel for decision making.

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