Won't torture Obama? Not good enough!
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| Mon, 11-17-2008 - 11:05pm |
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/11/obama_advisers_no_charges_like.php
This is not what we elected you for Obama. If you don't change our inJustice Department back to the Justice Department, you will lose us.
It's not enough to momentarily turn off the torture during your Administration and turn a blind eye to the widespread atrocities the seniormost Republican politicians and officials committed right before you.
If you commit a crime in this country, you don't get to get away with it just because the people elected you and put their trust in you. Just the opposite.
We want justice President-elect Obama. Do it quietly. No need for big fan fare. Just do it.
Please remember Obama, you need us. Without we, the people you are nothing. Sometimes politicians lead. Sometimes the people do. If you don't show some leadership on this issue, we will.

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He has to define torture first.
From your cite:
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Sopal
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"There are international definitions of torture that were used before Bush became president"
You are darned right. It wasn't so hard to define under Obama's idol Lincoln, who banned it and set the precedent for the Geneva Convention.
The term only became contorted when the torturers got into power.
I have a guy that lives around the corner from us.
Sopal
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Your neighbor, if he's still active duty military, is most emphatically NOT a smart man. He should know damn good and well that waterboarding has been removed from the list of allowed techniques in the Army field manual on interrogation.
If your neighbor decided to act on his sticker, he'd be at risk of being court martialed.
Gettingahandle
Ignorance is Nature's most abundant fuel for decision making.
Facts stifle the will, hobble conviction.
Gettingahandle
Ignorance is Nature's most abundant fuel for decision making.
>>...because he knows that torture doesn't necessarily result in good intel...<<
wasn't it John McCain who told his torturers that NFL football players were on his squadron? I really don't believe that torture works, either. But it does make the US look bad.
Will Obama still allow "oh purty please"?
Then he will bring the detainees in Guantanamo to the states and turn them loose.
Don't forget to lock your door.
Hogwash. They're talking about perhaps shifting some of the prisoners to Camp Pendleton, or one of the other CONUS military installations which has enough security to keep prisoners from presenting an escape hazard.
IMHO, a change in physical locale is just window-dressing. Closing Guantanamo is meaningless if it is not followed up by due process, fair and speedy trial, and a just sentence where warranted. Keeping prisoners without those measures is a violation of the Constitution, POW or not!
Gettingahandle
Ignorance is Nature's most abundant fuel for decision making.
Facts stifle the will, hobble conviction.
Gettingahandle
Ignorance is Nature's most abundant fuel for decision making.
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