Save the OBAMA Drama-and Complaints, too

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Save the OBAMA Drama-and Complaints, too
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Wed, 11-19-2008 - 10:47pm

Save The Obama Drama
By Paul Devlin | TheRoot.com


Stop with the ridiculous expectations already;

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Registered: 11-19-2008
Sun, 11-23-2008 - 6:09pm
and their pupils are still dilated.
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Registered: 11-19-2008
Sun, 11-23-2008 - 6:20pm

>>> Abstinence does work 100% of the time, but as statistically most kids aren't abstinent they need to be educated. Your values on this are also probably not the same as other adults in the community. Even the most well intentioned kid might screw up and they need to have the knowledge to protect themselves.

Apparently "educating" the kids and "handing out condoms" isn't really working. I'm not really a big supporter of the "throw your up your hand and give up" approach.

>>Why would a governor of Alaska, or any governor, have extensive knowledge of foreign policy? Where did Obama get his expertise on foreign policy?...living in Jakarta at age 10? He has zero...in fact, he's got so little experience that his VP and his Secretary of State BOTH called him inexperienced AND he's gotten EVERY foreign policy issue wrong in the past several years. Palin, on the other hand, has energy expertise...which is extremely valuable...and executive experience...which, again, is pertinent to the Presidency. Obama...has none.<<

>>> Again, I didn't vote for Obama so you don't have to tell me about his lack of experience, etc.

Then I suppose that it's equally unnecessary for you to mention Palin, particularly because she wasn't running for President...Obama was.

>>> His inexperiences do not make up for the fact that Palin doesn't have foreign policy experience either.

It's relevant because...again...Palin wasn't running for President and Obama was. In order for Palin's inexperience to become an issue our candidate would have had to win...and then die. The only think necessary for Obama's inexperience to become an issue would be for him to win...it's now an issue.

>>> I wasn't as terrified of her being VP as I hoped she'd at least pick up on something, but as a president with no foreign policy experience it would be terrifying. Again, I don't need any more about Obama's inexperience in this area as I did not vote for him.

You didn't need to vote for him...he's inexperienced and he's your President. Begin quaking. But to your point...what kind of "foreign policy" experience did Clinton have prior to taking office? Bush? Carter? You must have been terrified for a long time.

>>Or it could be that McCain chose one of the few eligible candidates that has truly conservative values, executive experience and has a reputation for bipartisanship and being a "maverick." Obviously the choice has resonated with a large number of conservatives.<<

>>> I'm not a far right leaning conservative and she still does not appeal to me. I do not consider her short time as governor in a state with a very small population enough to make her an expert in the field of executive experience either.

Again...as compared with Obama's complete lack of executive experience...I know, I know, you like to debate candidates but then hide behind "but I didn't vote for...". Odd then that you feel the need to discuss the qualifications of one candidate FOR VP but fear discussing the qualifications of the other candidates. Kind of keeps you stuck on one note...lalalalalalalalalalalalala

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Registered: 11-19-2008
Sun, 11-23-2008 - 6:32pm

>>> I didn't need much convincing to not vote for Obama as I didn't vote for him. I'm still not a fan of Palin though.

Since you didn't vote for either and you apparently don't like either then why offer comment at all? You've clearly made up your mind and are unwilling to examine the facts. More power to you.

>>> Having an abortion because of rape isn't the same as simply not wanting a child or using abortion as a means of birth control (convenience). Darn straight many women wouldn't want to carry the child of an assailant and then be solely responsible for caring for the child.

No matter how you slice it, it amounts to not wanting the child. The point many anti-abortionists make is that the life of the child is sacred, regardless of whether it was conceived via rape, or a one night stand or via a loving couple. The child remains innocent.

>>> What about the health of the child if it is carried to term? A mother that is raped might not necessarily be able to take care of it. Foster care is not always a good option for a child either.

Health concerns for the mother are a different concern, as would her age, but I doubt killing a child would be less hazardous to the health of a child if it's carried to term. And adoption is an option.

>>I've heard that before and it's a ridiculous proposition, probably invented by the anti-death penalty crowd. The minute you kill someone...with about $2 worth of chemicals...they stop being a financial burden on the system...unlike letting them live for another 20 or 30 years at taxpayers expense. Personally, I don't have any problem with the death penalty as long as it's "guilty beyond ANY doubt."<<

>>> So you're only pro life when it comes to abortion? How is that not hypocritical?

Right...the child is innocent and most abortions are done as a matter of convenience. Someone on death row has committed terrible crimes that have warranted his execution.

>>> In order to put somebody to death, they wind up sitting on death row sometimes for 20+ years.

Do prisoners eat less in the general population? Wear less clothes? Seems like the cost of keeping a man on death row for 20 years would be low compared with keeping him in prison for 50.

>>> Add to the expense of taking care of them for that long to the cost of lawyers and the money for legal proceedings, DNA tests etc to ensure that they aren't putting an innocent person to death and it adds up. http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty#FromDPIC

Seems to me that the lawyers and DNA tests should have been factored into convicting the guy in the first place, not after.

>>> And although we have made great advances in DNA testing there are still innocent people that have spent 20+ years in jail for a crime they didn't commit. That stays with them forever and makes it harder for them to get jobs, etc.

Solution?<<

>>> It's not the death penalty.

I don't think we execute too many innocent people these days.

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Registered: 04-20-2008
Sun, 11-23-2008 - 10:54pm

>>Apparently "educating" the kids and "handing out condoms" isn't really working. I'm not really a big supporter of the "throw your up your hand and give up" approach.<<

Works better than abstinence only education which has been proven pretty much ineffective. Knowledge is power. http://oversight.house.gov/features/politics_and_science/example_abstinence.htm

>>Then I suppose that it's equally unnecessary for you to mention Palin, particularly because she wasn't running for President...Obama was.<<

If you'd read a few posts ahead of where you joined this you'd see that I commented on another poster's comment that Palin would be elected president in 2012. She was running for VP which is reason enough to bring her viewpoints and ideas into it as that is still a position of leadership in this country.

>>It's relevant because...again...Palin wasn't running for President and Obama was. In order for Palin's inexperience to become an issue our candidate would have had to win...and then die. The only think necessary for Obama's inexperience to become an issue would be for him to win...it's now an issue.<<

If she did become president as apparently many Republicans would like in 2012 then these are issues for her. Just because she didn't win this one doesn't mean she's off the national stage altogether.

>>You didn't need to vote for him...he's inexperienced and he's your President. Begin quaking. But to your point...what kind of "foreign policy" experience did Clinton have prior to taking office? Bush? Carter? You must have been terrified for a long time.<<

Why "quake" because he got elected? Am I nervous? Yes but I'd also like for Republicans to actually do something other than continue whining about the lost election and start figuring out ways to strengthen the party for the next election. Sorry to say, I still doubt Palin would stand a chance of actually being elected as president in 4 years as she really only appeals to the far right.

>>Again...as compared with Obama's complete lack of executive experience...I know, I know, you like to debate candidates but then hide behind "but I didn't vote for...". Odd then that you feel the need to discuss the qualifications of one candidate FOR VP but fear discussing the qualifications of the other candidates. Kind of keeps you stuck on one note...lalalalalalalalalalalalala<<

What's there to discuss about Obama? We generally agree on his qualifications, but disagree slightly on Palin's. Obama only came up because somebody apparently thought that because I don't want Palin as president in four years that I voted for Obama. Yet people have continued posting to me as if I were an Obama supporter hence me having to repeat about five times that I didn't vote for him, so you don't have to spill the same stuff about how unqualified you think he is as if I'd voted to elect him. I don't see how Palin can have some of the same shortcomings people cite in Obama yet be an excellent choice for president in 2012.

>>Since you didn't vote for either and you apparently don't like either then why offer comment at all? You've clearly made up your mind and are unwilling to examine the facts. More power to you.<<

Umm...I voted for McCain/Palin. I could live with her as VP but not necessarily as president as the post that I initially responded to suggested.

>>No matter how you slice it, it amounts to not wanting the child. The point many anti-abortionists make is that the life of the child is sacred, regardless of whether it was conceived via rape, or a one night stand or via a loving couple. The child remains innocent.<<

Yes, the child is still innocent but you make a woman who decides to abort a child conceived because she was raped seem the same as a woman who actually does abort one because of her own irresponsibility as a means for birth control. In the case of rape I think it is a very personal decision that the government shouldn't make for them.

>>Health concerns for the mother are a different concern, as would her age, but I doubt killing a child would be less hazardous to the health of a child if it's carried to term. And adoption is an option.<<

Adoption is sometimes a slow and expensive process. Many of the foster children I have taught were in less than ideal situations and had a lot more behavior problems than other children their age. Again, basing it largely on personal experience in dealing with foster children and it isn't the case for all of them but they definitely deal with some problems that other children living with their biological family don't necessarily face.

>>Right...the child is innocent and most abortions are done as a matter of convenience. Someone on death row has committed terrible crimes that have warranted his execution.<<

You're right, but we were speaking about abortions that weren't done as a matter of convenience. Most of the true pro lifers I know are also against the death penalty as it is still not total respect to the sanctity of human life to kill another human being whether we have judged them to be a terrible person or not.

>>Do prisoners eat less in the general population? Wear less clothes? Seems like the cost of keeping a man on death row for 20 years would be low compared with keeping him in prison for 50.<<

I'm sure prisoners probably do eat less than the general American (I know somebody that does prison ministries, I'll ask him). Unless they have a closet full of orange jumpsuits I'm also sure they wear less clothing. Seems like it would be cheaper to keep a man on death row for 20 years, but research has shown that it's not. Legal costs soar in comparison to keeping a man/woman in prison for life. Having family that works for the DoC and the AG offices you'd be amazed at what legal hurdles have to be jumped in order to execute a prisoner.

>>Seems to me that the lawyers and DNA tests should have been factored into convicting the guy in the first place, not after.<<

If it were factored in first there wouldn't be a death row.

>>I don't think we execute too many innocent people these days.<<

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/208823/innocent_man_released_from_prison_after.html?cat=2

http://www.the-spark.net/np673601.html

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/rights/83101/innocent_man_released_from_prison_after_26_years,_two_lawyers_kept_his_innocence_secret/

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/09/21/news/prison.php

Just a few links to stories about innocent people that sat in prison for 15+ years before being released.

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Mon, 11-24-2008 - 7:19pm

Agreed.

 

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Registered: 09-08-2008
Tue, 11-25-2008 - 12:57am

(((I think in 4 years, all of the Obamaniacs will be asking each other, "how could I have been duped by a fraud like Obama?" ))))


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Registered: 09-08-2008
Tue, 11-25-2008 - 1:23am

(((What presumption on her part to appear presidential and pardon a turkey.

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Registered: 11-19-2008
Tue, 11-25-2008 - 1:51am

>>> Are you typing from experience???

Yes, I learned to type many years ago.

>>> Is this the little conversation that the members of the Psychic friends network had in 2000 and 2004 about Bush43? UGH!

I'm afraid I'm not privy to conversations between members of the Psychic Friends Network...aren't they Obama supporters? Maybe not if they can see into the future.

>>> The last 8 years have been really hard on some conservatives...they seem broken, and so they have forgotten what a functioning gov't should look like.

I dunno...economic growth...low unemployment...low inflation...no attacks...looks like things were working pretty well...until the Democrats took over Congress. But hey, that's probably just a coincidence.

>>> President-Elect Obama is 10 times the man that Bush43 wishes that he could be,

In many ways...Obama certainly is 10 times the liar...10 times as inexperienced...is good friends with 10 times as many terrorists and racists...has been 10 times as wrong on the issues...

>>> and so the next 4 years will be like heaven for people that value thinking, problem solving, intellect, communication, and honesty.

It sure would be if McCain had won...unfortunately, Obama's uninformed followers voted him into office. Let the lying and flip flopping begin! Oops...looks like it already started with the evil Bush tax cuts that Obama promised to rescind...before he changed his mind today. Let's see how fast Guantanamo closes.

>>> The Obama admin. has already worked circles around the current admin. While Bush43 snuck in legislation to drill for oil in our national parks, President-Elect Obama and his transition team have come up with plans for the stimulus package and the Detroit bailout.

Sure...attack Bush for spending...and then propose to spend, spend, spend! What a great plan. I wonder what the good folks on the left think about that? I mean, they've been all over Bush for years complaining about the spending and how dangerous it is for national security, and how terrible and irresponsible it is to saddle our kids with a huge deficit...will they have integrity and attack Obama as well, or will they be the hypocrites we all think they are and continue to apologize for Obama?

>>> President-Elect Obama's no nonsense governing style will serve our country well, so let's see who will have the last word 4 years from now.

Obama doesn't have a governing style...never having governed anything. LOL! In 4 years, the last word will be "Palin."

>>> Four (4) is a great number for President-Elect Obama...He will be the 44th President of the USA, He won the presidency on NOV. 4,

And the Obamanation will, thankfully, last only 4 years. YEA!!! I love the number 4.

>>> and so 4 years from now...I expect the US economy to be growing.

No thanks to Obama.

>>> Lucky for you people that did NOT vote for President-Elect Obama that you get the same benefits from his economic plans that we who did support him get, as well.

And don't forget the additional benefit of not looking foolish and uninformed at electing the most inexperienced President in our history.

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Registered: 09-08-2008
Tue, 11-25-2008 - 2:17am

(((Ayers hates the government.

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Registered: 11-20-2008
Tue, 11-25-2008 - 8:39am

Do you really want to start with the photoshops?

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