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| Mon, 11-24-2008 - 3:30pm |
Just got this from one of my GOP friends - wanted to know if I wanted this bumpersticker - reminds me of the old Hall and Oates song...
| Mon, 11-24-2008 - 3:30pm |
Just got this from one of my GOP friends - wanted to know if I wanted this bumpersticker - reminds me of the old Hall and Oates song...
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And here I foolishly thought that you agreed with the language of the Geneva convention...
I guess beheading captives and intentionally targeting innocent civilians are now part of the recognized rules of war.
Here's another - should the mercenaries from Blackwater be held to the Geneva Convention, as far as being tried for shooting
My mistake then... I didn't realize that you considered deliberately targeting civilians and killing prisoners to be part of the recognized rules of war.
It's simple.
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>>> Set aside the talk of tinfoil hats, Koolaid, whatever. It's jejune.
It always comes to mind when the left imagines that a Machiavellian Bush is out there listening in on their phone sex and sending out storm troopers to arrest innocent Americans and label them terrorists.
>>> You make the case against yourself. Evidence has been destroyed.
What evidence? You have evidence that evidence was destroyed? These guys were picked up on a battlefield...how do you know there was any evidence other than the RPG they were carrying? And if there is evidence, how do you know that it's admissible in a US court? Or that disclosing it wouldn't compromise national security or place lives at risk?
>>> Lawyers for defendants are dealing with sites and people from years ago and far away.
A moot court exonerated Richard lll.
>>> Therein lies the peril of ever having set up Guantanamo in the first place.
A necessity of national security.
>>> Here's the burning question. WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?!
Gosh, I dunnno?...Maybe they needed a place to detain prisoners suspected of terrorism while they sorted their status out?
>>> Or is this another one of those John Yoo situations where he was, as an appointee of the executive, making policy and interpreting law to most benefit the executive branch? He was instrumental in many of the less savory DOJ pronouncements.
Don't most lawyers interpret law to the benefit of their clients?
>>> If the reasoning is that detainees cannot be tried in a civil court because they were citizens of other countries with whom we are not at war, captured on foreign soil, then we don't have the right to hold them militarily either--must extradite where we have previous agreements to do so. Holding them indefinitely in limbo is not an option.
Personally, I don't understand the left's love of terrorists...I guess it's all wrapped up in the whole America-hating thing. At any rate, the issue is not entirely wrapped up in foreign citizenship or where they were captured. The problems are many, not the least is that, previously, we have not had an official designation for terrorists or any official method of trying them after they were captured. They are not legitimate fighters for foreign states and so can't be dealt with like traditional captured soldiers, hence the new designation of "enemy combatants." But designated as either "enemy combatants" or "POWs," as the left would like, they can be legally detained for the duration of the war...and in this case, it's the "War on Terror"...which could take a while.
>>> You're really stretching to include OJ Simpson in the category of terrorist. By that "logic", our prisons are already full of terrorists who have been tried in civil (as opposed to military) courts.
OJ was mentioned with regard to guilty people being set free...but it is true that he did terrorize his wife.
>>> People with a political agenda set OJ free?! My, what an interesting spin.
Either that or the blacks on the jury were just incredibly stupid.
>>> Miscarriages of justice do NOT equate with acts of terror unless you're arguing that Nicole Simpson's and Ronald Goldman's murders were on the same par with the attacks of 9/11 or even the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. I very much doubt that the rest of the country would support that premise!
The difference was motivation...but people were killed in both cases. Would it help if OJ killed Nicole by flying a plane into Mezzaluna?
>>> This business at Guantanamo is messy, no two ways about it. If enmity and religious fervor didn't exist previously in detainees, it probably does now!
Who cares? I'm sure that our prisons are breeding grounds for racism and societal enmity, but I don't think that should be an excuse for releasing all the prisoners. Maybe being detainees in Guantanamo has shown the prisoners what awaits them if they go down that road? Maybe some have been turned around.
>>> Bush grabbed a rattler and can't let go, but we can't hold on indefinitely either. His legacy will trouble the nation for years, probably even decades, to come.
Better to let the "rattler" go about killing because it's too "problematic" to pick it up? Sorry, but I'm glad that Bush had the courage and integrity to confront the problem and deal with the consequences rather than being a political coward, like so many of his attackers.
>>> And somehow, some way, there must be a more visibly just attempt to resolve the matter of detainees, rather than insisting that status quo was either fair or sustainable--it is neither.
Let's see what the Obamessiah comes up with.
>>> Do you have any support for any of that? Everyone had lawyers??? "Pretty compelling information about these detainees"???
Sure...just google it and read away.
>>> Note, the first 5 of the 6 prisoners held illegally for years in Guantanamo Bay are finally being released on merely the basis of habeas corpus petitions. No hearing is needed. Certainly, not a trial. US District Judges routinely read habeas petitions only. And most are denied, I can tell you that!!
Ok.
>>> Yet, the first 5 out of 6 habeas petitions finally heard were granted! What Bush has wrought truly shocks the conscience. Everyone says Obama is going to make history? Obama cannot even hold a candle to the shockingly bold and criminal steps Bush has forced upon our American history and legacy as a country.
Again, I can't fathom the love that liberals have for terrorists and the hatred they have for their own country.
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