An Iraqi Journalist Throws SHOEs at Bush

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An Iraqi Journalist Throws SHOEs at Bush
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Sun, 12-14-2008 - 3:40pm

Good gosh.

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iVillage Member
Registered: 11-20-2008
Mon, 12-22-2008 - 10:48am
Waterboarding isn't torture.

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-25-2007
Mon, 12-22-2008 - 11:54am

It isn't torture when we do it to others, but it is torture when it is done to us - selective moral rationale:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/02/AR2007110201170.html


Sopal

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Registered: 04-30-2008
Mon, 12-22-2008 - 11:55am

Really?

iVillage Member
Registered: 12-10-2008
Mon, 12-22-2008 - 4:28pm

You are mistaken, as mock executions by definition are torture given that they cause extreme anguish of the mind.

Kate

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Registered: 12-10-2008
Mon, 12-22-2008 - 4:32pm

Indeed.


LA Times, Feb. 2/08:


"The attorney general of the United States, Michael B. Mukasey, testified this week that he would consider waterboarding to be torture if it were done to him, but that he cannot say it’s always illegal."

Kate

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Registered: 11-20-2008
Mon, 12-22-2008 - 5:47pm
Got it. Throwing shoes at a person is violence and waterboarding isn't torture. Wow.
iVillage Member
Registered: 12-19-2008
Mon, 12-22-2008 - 5:52pm

Didn't you know everythings ok because Cheney said it was!!!

iVillage Member
Registered: 11-20-2008
Mon, 12-22-2008 - 6:14pm

Maybe Cheney is "true north" on some people's moral compass--but not mine. I'm not convinced that we can blame the lack of "morals and values" (what a hoot!) on him anyway.

Group-think is a sure fire recipe for moral disarray. If peer or party pressure is what creates one's value system, that system is prone to corruption and decay. A foundation of land-fill garbage rather than lasting rock.

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Registered: 11-19-2008
Mon, 12-22-2008 - 7:59pm
That's exactly right.
iVillage Member
Registered: 12-20-2008
Mon, 12-22-2008 - 9:05pm

How about when we do it to ourselves?

U.S. Military survival training: All special operations units in all branches of the U.S. military employ the use of waterboarding as part of survival school (SERE) training, to psychologically prepare soldiers for the eventuality of being captured by the enemy forces.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding

The moonbats at Democratic Underground have proven the liberal contention that waterboarding is torture by waterboarding themselves. Unsurprisingly, they found the experience unenjoyable.

Now let's see if they can prove that the techniques used by al-Qaeda are torture by trying them on themselves. They might start with gouging their own eyes out, then move on to squishing their skulls in a press, etc.:
http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2007/10/du_moonbats_wat.html

Here's a good definition of torture...

"Torture is any experience so horrible that no-one would consider trying it out simply for the purpose of writing a Vanity Fair article about what it’s like."
http://sweasel.com/archives/1269

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