Atheist group files lawsuit Inauguration

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Thu, 01-08-2009 - 2:04pm
Why read religious philosophy when a two sentence definition will do?
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Thu, 01-08-2009 - 2:39pm

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>>> And religion in the hands of "lesser people" could be a dangerous thing.

True...but those "lesser people" would be (presumably knowingly) corrupting established doctrines of morality and ethics, while an atheist would simply be adhering to his/her own.

>>> All people use their own personal perception of right and wrong even when they use religion as their foundation. How do you explain religious people who have committed crimes?

No, all people don't. Most religions don't say "hey, go out there and use your own perception of right and wrong" any more than the state says "hey, it's ok for you to decide what laws to obey and which to ignore"..."churches" actually teach the lessons of morality and ethics, and "religious people" who commit crimes are violating their religious teaching.

>>> And btw, not that it matters, but no I am not atheist. But I believe that having religion in your life does not make you or your morals superior to others.

It gives you a moral and ethical foundation that is beyond the "self."

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1) The McCain campaign never suggested that Obama was a Muslim. To the contrary, McCain personally refuted that allegation on several occasions. However, Obama's religion was listed as Muslim when he attended school.

2) Again, McCain never made this allegation, but Obama's birth certificate would easily resolve the issue of his citizenship...but he will not physically provide it. Why?

3) Sorry, but Obama DID support the Illinois handgun ban...>>

>>> Well first off, a handgun and a semi-automatic weapon are two different things

Right...like all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares. By the way, I can completely see the logic in banning a .9mm Glock but saying a Colt .357 is A-ok.

>>> and the point of the matter is that Obama never promised to seek a ban on all semi-automatic weapons. But that's really beside the point.

Spin all you like, his position on handguns is very clear...that's why sales spiked right after he was elected.

>>> My point was that there was misinformation and even complete lies from both sides and I never claimed that the examples I gave were lies told by McCain, I said right-wing bloggers and some conservatives. There was certainly misinformation and half-truths uttered my McCain as well though. You accused Obama of outright lying about McCain but it's definitely a two-way street.

Once you open up the argument to "bloggers" you might as well say "good night." The Blogasphere is full of every kind of nut job and radical.

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>>> But I am not some entity known as "the left". I am another human being, another American and I don't deserve to be treated with scorn b/c of how I voted or b/c of some assumptions about what I believe. I guess I just don't see things as left vs right.

If you don't affiliate yourself with "the left" and don't subscribe to their behaviors, the why would you be offended? As for supporting Obama, you've stated your reasons, and thus far, none of them has any foundation in reality. It's tough to respect a decision like that.

>>> Just my opinion, but I find it hypocritical for someone to claim that they love their country and yet treat citizens of the same country with such scorn.

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>>> Two wrongs don't make a right.

Sounds like the mantra of folks who like to attack with impunity...the same kind of folks who are now attacking Israel for defending itself. It's not particularly realistic in this context.

>>> And again, I am not just a "liberal". I would expect you to treat me as you would like to be treated. Isn't that the morally right thing to do? :-)

If you'll note, I've tried to be as civil and respectful as you have during our discussion, even though we disagree on many issues.

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>>> Well the "bully" comment was mine but you seemed to have misread it or else incorrectly made assumptions based on the fact that I believe the war in Iraq was a mistake. Unfortunately this assumption or mistakenly read information seemed to initiate a rant that culminated in you accusing the "left" of hating America.

And again, the distinction...you can believe that the war in Iraq was a mistake, made in good faith by people of honor in defense of the nation, who were given faulty intelligence...or you can be a "patriot" and believe that it was a purposeful crime made with full knowledge of the "truth" and determine that our country is a "bully."

>>> It's just so very sad that you could think that of so many of your fellow Americans. Even if someone outright admitted that they believe America acted as a bully that does not mean that they hate America.

Right...people who subject the country to perpetual scorn are really just offering "tough love." Sorry...no...won't fly.

>>> Especially b/c, in that instance, the statement would really be referring to Bush as a bully, not the entire country.

This is where so many on the left jump off the reality train. You act as if Bush were king as issued an imperial edict. LOL! Sorry, but if you want to be taken seriously, you'll have to become more familiar with the actual history of US-Iraq relations and the build up to the war.

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Thu, 01-08-2009 - 2:42pm

>>> Ha, ha! There are more born-again Christians on DEATH ROW than not.

Um...no.

>>> It sure don't make 'em religious, moral or accountable. ;)

If they're self-acknowledged Christians, it would make them religious. You'd have to talk to the individual to determine if they're "moral" and being on death row would certainly make them "accountable."

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Thu, 01-08-2009 - 5:06pm

Thank you for the debate regarding religion and morals but I have decided to no longer participate. Your posts suggest that you feel that someone with religion is superior in some way to someone without religion. I will leave you with your believe b/c I detest debating religion when someone believes that their religion somehow makes them better than someone else. It seem so un-Christian to me and

Chrissy
mom to Aidan 8/21/03
Grayson Blaine 12/30/07

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Thu, 01-08-2009 - 5:47pm

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Registered: 12-20-2008
Thu, 01-08-2009 - 6:40pm
Pretty typical...even if Bush didn't say it, let's blame him anyway.
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Thu, 01-08-2009 - 6:43pm
"I haven't been able to verify"..."I couldn't find a youtube like piece"..."I think Bush said"...and the ever inane, "Based on things Bush has said in the past"...LOL!...Geeze.
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Thu, 01-08-2009 - 7:17pm
Seems a lot of Conservatives have bought into the "Obama isn't an American citizen" conspiracy theory. One thing that can't be disputed are his Bushisms.
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Thu, 01-08-2009 - 7:39pm

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Thu, 01-08-2009 - 8:28pm

It is a staggering amount of incoherent babble.


Yes, indeed!

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