I am so upset about Gaza
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I am so upset about Gaza
| Sun, 01-11-2009 - 10:14pm |
I can't quite express how much this has upset me.
| Sun, 01-11-2009 - 10:14pm |
I can't quite express how much this has upset me.
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Yes, and you haven't said word one about those evil Egyptians not letting refugees out...
I have.
I'm not sure what the point was. Your first link stated that...several hundred people are waiting safely at the Ezra crossing, in what appear to be comfortable conditions, and that hundreds of others have been cleared through security and allowed access to the West Bank...although that article seems to have been published in 2007. While your other links showed that "civilians" were seeking refuge in UN schools, none of them said that Israel was not allowing refugees to seek safety at the border or cross into the West Bank as they did before.
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< What is the legal right by which Israel keeps the Palestinians "prisoners," and yet is not rebuked by the international community?
>>> That is a very interesting question. In reality, the refugee situation developed from 1948 through 1967, with wars in the region. The refugees came from the land that is now Israel, and they fled the land during those wars, to avoid being killed in battle. Once the wars ended (with Israel winning), Israel denied those refugees the right to return to their homes.
Arabs attack Israel...Arabs leave Israel to stay safe during the conflict...then, after they lose, they want to go back and live in Israel? Now that's some hutzpa. But from a strictly practical point of view...Israel wasn't (entirely) responsible for the Arab exodus, so why is it their responsibility to repatriate these refugees? Also, Israel was established as a "Jewish State," so I can see why there would be little impetus to dilute that intent by settling a million Arabs in Israel...and who are probably not especially sympathetic to Israel's current plight...and who could, in fact, present a "threat from within."
>>> Israel was an occupying force for almost 40 years,a dn then a couple of eyars ago, Israel began to gradually withdraw and turn Gaza over for self rule, with israel still controlling the borders, the seas, etc.
Very generous on Israel's part to offer up land won in a war to the people who attacked them in the first place.
>>> America doesn't say anything, becasue we like it this way. We don't care about the plight of palestinian refugees.
I'm sure we do...but destroying Israel isn't an option. Come up with something more reasonable and I'm sure there's room to talk.
>>> In Europe, it has been a different story for decades, the end result being that Israel labels much of Europe as anti-Semitic (becasue when they don't agree with you, it must just be due to anti-Semitism).
It frequently is.
>>> Regardless of why, it is what it is. A refugee population trapped, unable to leave, being targetted, and no one cares.
Again, I've seen nothing that demonstrates the people of "Palestine" are prisoners in the Gaza strip. However, it seems as though the Palestinians have gotten almost everything they've asked for short of Israel committing a collective suicide. Israel ceded the land and government control to the Palestinians...and still they complain. Why don't they concentrate on making Gaza flourish, rather than attack Israel?
<<< And it's really hard to just "surrender" to the Israelis when they are dropping bombs on your home indescriminately.
<< From what I've heard, the bombing by Israel has been anything but indiscriminate. If they have targeted an area or a building, it's because they believe Hamas is operating from that area or building. But as you said, the Palestinians knew the Israelis were coming...for many days, if not weeks. What prevented your friend and her family from heading north prior to the invasion and surrendering or seeking refuge?
>>> Israel is not allowing refugees to surrender to Israel and seek refuge. That is a big part of the whole protest over what is happening.
Again, I've seen no evidence of this.
<<< I also find it intersteing that you find a random video on youtube of alleged palestinains saying something vile, and you use that as evidence of Palestinians as a whole.
<< Well, I didn't find a video as much as quote one...but it was a well publicized video that pretty clearly showed the opinions and attitudes of many pro-Palestinians.
>>> No, what you mean is that someone found a vile video of someone in Florida and is using it to justify killing hundreds, if not thousands of people eight time zones away. That video whos the attirdues of the people in that video, period.
It wasn't "one person," it was many people...most of the crowd actually...and Israel doesn't need the ravings of fanatics in Florida to justify acting in their defense.
Because you and godess_lonestarmom were discussing that very subject.
Chrissy
mom to Aidan 8/21/03
Grayson Blaine 12/30/07
>>> 1. You cannot cross from Gaza into the West Bank. They don't touch each other. I strongly recommend to you a map.
Yeah...uh...duh...I don't know why that never occurred to me? If you'll re-read my posts, you'll find I never said you can cross from Gaza into the West Bank.
>>> 2. The article said in 2007 foreigners were allowed to leave, not Palestinians. Palestinians were not allowed out.
A quote please? I didn't get that specification from the article.
>>> 3. Every article from the current massacres says the borders are closed. In case you don't undertsand what closed is, closed is not opened, sealed, shut. Meaning, you cannot go through the border and exit.
Shut? Really? And here I thought that meant everyone could come and go as they please...silly me. And again, a big ol'duh...of course the borders were closed...BY THE ISRAELIS...but that doesn't prohibit "refugees" waiting peacefully and SAFELY at the border, or prevent Israel from transporting refugees to secure areas or the West Bank...and none of your articles stated otherwise.
>>> 4. People are seeking sheltwer at UN schools because they cannot get out, so they are looking for somewhere else safe to go. Sadly, even UN schools are not safe, as the IDF is bombing UN schools (and even the UN headquarters, as well).
The IDF stated that they were fired upon from those schools. It speaks to the immorality of Hamas that they would place those children in danger to make their cowardly attacks.
>>> I realize at this point that you are simply an apologist for the current IDF-inflicted massacre of Palestinian civillians, so I am taking my leave of this.
As opposed to an...um...apologist for a terrorist organization that launches unprovoked attacks that kill innocent people?
>>> As I mentioned before, having lived in the area for a number of years, I have close friends and even some family still there. They are being systematically and intentionally killed by the IDF. I will discuss Gaza with anyone who has questions about it, but I have no interest in talking with those who support the IDF slaughter of civillians, especially children.
It's interesting that you feel the need to attack Israel for defending itself, but find no fault with Hamas for it's acts of terrorism...or the people of Gaza for supporting those terrorists and eventually having to reap what they've sown.
>>> It is not a game or laughing matter to me.
It's also not a matter of honesty.
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That was rather low. The poster is not lying to you,
Chrissy
mom to Aidan 8/21/03
Grayson Blaine 12/30/07
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