Pelosi gets spanked by the Pope
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| Wed, 02-18-2009 - 6:45pm |
Pelosi, Pope Have No Meeting of the Minds
It would appear from the two statements issued by the Vatican and the speaker's office that Nancy Pelosi and Pope Benedict did not share the same views during her audience with the pontiff.
.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi met Pope Benedict XVI at the Vatican Wednesday morning, but may not have had a meeting of the minds if the two statements from their offices are any indication.
No journalists were at the 15-minute encounter and the Vatican and the speaker's offices have not released any photos. However, according to their statements it appears the pope and the politician attended two different get-togethers.
"His Holiness took the opportunity to speak of the requirements of the natural moral law and the Church's consistent teaching on the dignity of human life from conception to natural death which enjoins all Catholics, and especially legislators, jurists and those responsible for the common good of society, to work in cooperation with all men and women of good will in creating a just system of laws capable of protecting human life at all stages of its development," the Vatican wrote, having released the statement moments before the two met.
Several hours later, Pelosi's office gave her take on the tete-a-tete.
"It is with great joy that my husband, Paul, and I met with his Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI today," Pelosi said in a statement released hours after the meeting. "In our conversation, I had the opportunity to praise the Church's leadership in fighting poverty, hunger and global warming, as well as the Holy Father's dedication to religious freedom and his upcoming trip and message to Israel. I was proud to show his Holiness a photograph of my family's papal visit in the 1950s, as well as a recent picture of our children and grandchildren."
The pontiff has a long history of urging Catholic politicians to toe the line on abortion, and has said that those who don't shouldn't take communion. Pelosi supports abortion rights and says she's never been denied communion at her church in San Francisco.
In 2002, the Vatican issued a doctrinal note on "The Participation of Catholics in Political Life," which states rather succinctly that politicians who profess to be Catholic have a "grave and clear obligation" to oppose any law that attacks human life.
That note was approved by John Paul II but signed by none other than Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger. He's now the pope.
The speaker does not share that belief, and even got into a verbal slugfest with American bishops last August after her statements on a news program about the Church's view of when life begins.
"I would say that as an ardent, practicing Catholic, this is an issue that I have studied for a long time. And what I know is, over the centuries, the doctors of the church have not been able to make that definition. And St. Augustine said at three months, we don't know. The point is, is that it shouldn't have an impact on the woman's right to choose," she said at the time on NBC's "Meet the Press."
She then added that the Church has only held the view for 50 years or so that life begins at conception. The remarks earned her widespread corrections by Catholic clerics.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/18/pelosi-pope-meeting-minds/

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>Dumb as in the only method of BS that's 100% effective? Sadly, it depends on values and morality to support it...things liberals have little concept of.<
>>> Well, that's not entirely true. Hysterectomy & oopherectomy are also 100% effective, just not advisable.
Hey, if you think those "plans" are workable for your teens, have at it.
>>> Just as abstinence is not advisable in a marriage. In fact, it is considered grounds for divorce in all states if one spouse refuses to have intercourse with the other (for non-medical reasons that is).
It kind of defeats the intent of marriage, so yeah, abstinence isn't generally promoted for married couples.
>>> If you don't have sex with your spouse just because you don't want more children (or can't afford more children), you can probably kiss your marriage goodbye.
Who says you can't have sex? The Church advocates something akin to "the rhythm method." It just doesn't advocate killing a child should your plans be inconvenienced.
>Really? How's that working for ya? That's been the liberal approach for years now...so I assume the occurrence of teen pregnancy and abortion are down to near zero?<
>>> Funny thing is, those states that went to abstinence only education saw a SPIKE in teen pregnancies. Go figure.
Yeah...and why? Because liberals glorify single-motherhood and support abortion over personal responsibility and character. Go figure.
It kind of defeats the intent of marriage, so yeah, abstinence isn't generally promoted for married couples.
Are you suggesting a spouse cannot refuse to have sex?
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>>> You think it is pathetic to object to a bishop to perform a religious ritual for his constituents only to turn away constituents who happen to be female?
Yes, I think it's as pathetic as getting upset that they usually hire men to play Santa Claus. It was the Bishop's show and he's entitled to conduct it as he sees fit.
>>> That conduct was abhorrent and a disgrace, which is why (I believe it was Cardinal O'Malley) made it a point the following year to include women. I applaud his taking this step just as I condemn the person who refused to.
I hate pandering.
>>> Believe it or not, women are more than half this world, yet we are expected to accept belief that men are our exclusive leaders spiritually, that we are somehow unclean and unworthy. Bull and no way.
Well, if you want to be a member of the Church, you're going to have to get used to it and try to find a way to struggle on with your life...or get out. And really...can't you find some examples of actual discrimination instead of trying to invent one?
<<< I said: "I would guess if he did, he wished everyone to get along and everyone to be equal."
<< You said: And what is the basis for this fantastical belief?
>>> And I conclude: I do believe your response to my quote above says it all. I rest my case.
It would probably help if you did some actual research into who Jesus was and what he said instead of depending on some liberal comic book stereotype.
>>> Are you suggesting a spouse cannot refuse to have sex? Please, please, please tell me no.
It depends upon the period of time that "no" becomes the mantra. The Church says that separation is a sin unless certain specific criteria are met, and it can be justification for annulment of the marriage as well as a legitimate cause for civil divorce. So women...have a "headache" at your own peril.
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