Pelosi gets spanked by the Pope

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Wed, 02-18-2009 - 6:45pm

Pelosi, Pope Have No Meeting of the Minds
It would appear from the two statements issued by the Vatican and the speaker's office that Nancy Pelosi and Pope Benedict did not share the same views during her audience with the pontiff.

.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi met Pope Benedict XVI at the Vatican Wednesday morning, but may not have had a meeting of the minds if the two statements from their offices are any indication.

No journalists were at the 15-minute encounter and the Vatican and the speaker's offices have not released any photos. However, according to their statements it appears the pope and the politician attended two different get-togethers.

"His Holiness took the opportunity to speak of the requirements of the natural moral law and the Church's consistent teaching on the dignity of human life from conception to natural death which enjoins all Catholics, and especially legislators, jurists and those responsible for the common good of society, to work in cooperation with all men and women of good will in creating a just system of laws capable of protecting human life at all stages of its development," the Vatican wrote, having released the statement moments before the two met.

Several hours later, Pelosi's office gave her take on the tete-a-tete.

"It is with great joy that my husband, Paul, and I met with his Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI today," Pelosi said in a statement released hours after the meeting. "In our conversation, I had the opportunity to praise the Church's leadership in fighting poverty, hunger and global warming, as well as the Holy Father's dedication to religious freedom and his upcoming trip and message to Israel. I was proud to show his Holiness a photograph of my family's papal visit in the 1950s, as well as a recent picture of our children and grandchildren."

The pontiff has a long history of urging Catholic politicians to toe the line on abortion, and has said that those who don't shouldn't take communion. Pelosi supports abortion rights and says she's never been denied communion at her church in San Francisco.

In 2002, the Vatican issued a doctrinal note on "The Participation of Catholics in Political Life," which states rather succinctly that politicians who profess to be Catholic have a "grave and clear obligation" to oppose any law that attacks human life.

That note was approved by John Paul II but signed by none other than Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger. He's now the pope.

The speaker does not share that belief, and even got into a verbal slugfest with American bishops last August after her statements on a news program about the Church's view of when life begins.

"I would say that as an ardent, practicing Catholic, this is an issue that I have studied for a long time. And what I know is, over the centuries, the doctors of the church have not been able to make that definition. And St. Augustine said at three months, we don't know. The point is, is that it shouldn't have an impact on the woman's right to choose," she said at the time on NBC's "Meet the Press."

She then added that the Church has only held the view for 50 years or so that life begins at conception. The remarks earned her widespread corrections by Catholic clerics.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/18/pelosi-pope-meeting-minds/

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Sat, 02-21-2009 - 2:56am
And the wisdom of Honest Abe is proven once again. LOL!
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Sat, 02-21-2009 - 3:06am
"You go to private school, you pay tuition over and above what is paid to the district, and you provide transportation over and above the school district.

If you do as you suggest, you take a school bus and make it public livery, opening up a whole new issue legally."


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Sat, 02-21-2009 - 3:52am
Why would it?
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Sat, 02-21-2009 - 6:53am

>>Now if a church wanted to accept public funding for some reason, THEN the laws of the land and not the rules of religious doctrine would apply.

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Sat, 02-21-2009 - 11:38am
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Sat, 02-21-2009 - 12:57pm

>Who says you can't have sex? The Church advocates something akin to "the rhythm method." It just doesn't advocate killing a child should your plans be inconvenienced.<


There's an old joke that I'll paraphrase here for you: What do you call a couple who uses NFP (Natural Family Planning, the only Church sanctioned method of birth control) as their sole means of birth control? Parents.


So those couples who wish to keep their family size to a manageable level who want to stick with Church teachings really only have the choice of abstinence. Like I've said on another board, those women who have irregular cycles are not good candidates for effective NFP, unless by effective you mean "is frequently pregnant."


>It just doesn't advocate killing a child should your plans be inconvenienced.<


Actually, the Church doesn't advocate using the most effective means of preventing pregnancy, INCLUDING surgical intervention (unless said surgery is being done for other health reasons unrelated to fertility--for example having an hysterectomy due to uterine cancer) even if pregnancy would endanger the health of the mother.

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Sat, 02-21-2009 - 1:01pm

>It would probably help if you did some actual research into who Jesus was and what he said instead of depending on some liberal comic book stereotype.<


Since most of the source material for that would be controled by those who hold Jesus as a god, I'd have to say that would be difficult to do. (And the other source material is greatly ridiculed by those same people.)

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Sat, 02-21-2009 - 3:26pm

So those couples who wish to keep their family size to a manageable level who want to stick with Church teachings really only have the choice of abstinence. Like I've said on another board, those women who have irregular cycles are not good candidates for effective NFP, unless by effective you mean "is frequently pregnant."


I disagree with this statement.

 


 


 


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Sat, 02-21-2009 - 3:34pm
Not if you have a horney husband, and besides, during your most fertile time a woman herself is the most horney. AND that sperm can live up to 72 hours within the vagina, so it isn't really all that effective inless you use another form of protection you know, like a condom. I do know all about NFP.
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Sat, 02-21-2009 - 4:00pm

>It would probably help if you did some actual research into who Jesus was and what he said instead of depending on some liberal comic book stereotype.<

>>> Since most of the source material for that would be controled by those who hold Jesus as a god, I'd have to say that would be difficult to do. (And the other source material is greatly ridiculed by those same people.)

Actually, the "source material" isn't controlled by anyone. Jews, Muslims and atheists, among others, don't "hold Jesus as a god" and there are quite a few of them, so you might be able to get a different perspective from their point of view. You also might consider even reading Christian sources as many are interested in the "real" Jesus, and not this "angelic stereotype" that so many liberals here seem to embrace. I'm sure there are also a host of academic sources that explore Jesus and his words in their historical context.

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