Pelosi gets spanked by the Pope

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Pelosi gets spanked by the Pope
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Wed, 02-18-2009 - 6:45pm

Pelosi, Pope Have No Meeting of the Minds
It would appear from the two statements issued by the Vatican and the speaker's office that Nancy Pelosi and Pope Benedict did not share the same views during her audience with the pontiff.

.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi met Pope Benedict XVI at the Vatican Wednesday morning, but may not have had a meeting of the minds if the two statements from their offices are any indication.

No journalists were at the 15-minute encounter and the Vatican and the speaker's offices have not released any photos. However, according to their statements it appears the pope and the politician attended two different get-togethers.

"His Holiness took the opportunity to speak of the requirements of the natural moral law and the Church's consistent teaching on the dignity of human life from conception to natural death which enjoins all Catholics, and especially legislators, jurists and those responsible for the common good of society, to work in cooperation with all men and women of good will in creating a just system of laws capable of protecting human life at all stages of its development," the Vatican wrote, having released the statement moments before the two met.

Several hours later, Pelosi's office gave her take on the tete-a-tete.

"It is with great joy that my husband, Paul, and I met with his Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI today," Pelosi said in a statement released hours after the meeting. "In our conversation, I had the opportunity to praise the Church's leadership in fighting poverty, hunger and global warming, as well as the Holy Father's dedication to religious freedom and his upcoming trip and message to Israel. I was proud to show his Holiness a photograph of my family's papal visit in the 1950s, as well as a recent picture of our children and grandchildren."

The pontiff has a long history of urging Catholic politicians to toe the line on abortion, and has said that those who don't shouldn't take communion. Pelosi supports abortion rights and says she's never been denied communion at her church in San Francisco.

In 2002, the Vatican issued a doctrinal note on "The Participation of Catholics in Political Life," which states rather succinctly that politicians who profess to be Catholic have a "grave and clear obligation" to oppose any law that attacks human life.

That note was approved by John Paul II but signed by none other than Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger. He's now the pope.

The speaker does not share that belief, and even got into a verbal slugfest with American bishops last August after her statements on a news program about the Church's view of when life begins.

"I would say that as an ardent, practicing Catholic, this is an issue that I have studied for a long time. And what I know is, over the centuries, the doctors of the church have not been able to make that definition. And St. Augustine said at three months, we don't know. The point is, is that it shouldn't have an impact on the woman's right to choose," she said at the time on NBC's "Meet the Press."

She then added that the Church has only held the view for 50 years or so that life begins at conception. The remarks earned her widespread corrections by Catholic clerics.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/18/pelosi-pope-meeting-minds/

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Sun, 02-22-2009 - 9:32am
Now if her husband beat her silly but

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Sun, 02-22-2009 - 10:30am
You are probably right!
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Sun, 02-22-2009 - 10:58am

>>It would probably help if you did some actual research into who Jesus was and what he said instead of depending on some liberal comic book stereotype<<


There are 4 non-independent sources of information about who Jesus was and what he said.

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Sun, 02-22-2009 - 4:27pm

>If you know what you are doing, it can be just as effective as any other form of birth control.<


And the convenient thing about that statement is that one can always claim any failures to "not knowing what you're doing."

Sandy
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Sun, 02-22-2009 - 4:34pm

Unfortunately, Madame Speaker still doesn't understand that being a Catholic means accepting the dogma of the Church.

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Sun, 02-22-2009 - 4:36pm

>You also might consider even reading Christian sources as many are interested in the "real" Jesus, and not this "angelic stereotype" that so many liberals here seem to embrace. I'm sure there are also a host of academic sources that explore Jesus and his words in their historical context.<


Thanks for chastising me on this, but as a

Sandy
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Sun, 02-22-2009 - 4:42pm

<< It depends upon the period of time that "no" becomes the mantra. The Church says that separation is a sin unless certain specific criteria are met, and it can be justification for annulment of the marriage as well as a legitimate cause for civil divorce. So women...have a "headache" at your own peril.

>>> I understand that say... refusing sex long term or perhaps permanently is grounds for divorce legally, but then we should not be requiring reasons for divorce, anyway.

Why not? It's a legal contract. Should we be able to dissolve legal contracts on a whim?

>>> Human beings should have the right to not allow access to their body, period, and anything that contradicts that is not sound social policy.

They don't have to...but in refusing to participate in the contractual obligation, the contract should be broken, which is the Church's position and, I believe society's as a whole.

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Sun, 02-22-2009 - 4:43pm
I'm just going from memory, but isn't the pregnancy rate around 25% anyway for sex without birth control?
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Sun, 02-22-2009 - 4:51pm

>If that was God's will.<


Yeah, but until God starts paying my mortgage, I think I'll use a far more reliable method.


>The Church doesn't bend to individual convenience. The law is the law and people are free to choose to sin or not and deal with the consequences.<


The Church cannot afford to house and feed all its followers, so see above as to why so many Catholics ignore the prohibition against birth control methods.


>That's a contradiction. If a pregnancy endangered the health of the mother then the surgery would be done for "health reasons." The Church doesn't oppose medical intervention conducted for the health of the individual.<


I think you misunderstand here. Let's assume I was a practicing Catholic. Let us also assume that having a baby would endanger my life (there are such conditions, let's not get bogged in researching which). The only Church approved method of preventing pregnancy would be to not have sex. If I were to get pregnant using NFP, the Church would not approve of an abortion but would allow treatment to be performed that might result in the death or severe injury of the fetus.

Sandy
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Sun, 02-22-2009 - 4:52pm

If she doesn't want to follow the teachings of the Church, she's free to leave and call herself something else.


Are you suggesting that somewhere around 85% of Catholics leave? Because when you consider choice, contraceptives, women as priests, etc... the number that differ with the church is probably somewhere around there.

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