Pelosi gets spanked by the Pope
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| Wed, 02-18-2009 - 6:45pm |
Pelosi, Pope Have No Meeting of the Minds
It would appear from the two statements issued by the Vatican and the speaker's office that Nancy Pelosi and Pope Benedict did not share the same views during her audience with the pontiff.
.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi met Pope Benedict XVI at the Vatican Wednesday morning, but may not have had a meeting of the minds if the two statements from their offices are any indication.
No journalists were at the 15-minute encounter and the Vatican and the speaker's offices have not released any photos. However, according to their statements it appears the pope and the politician attended two different get-togethers.
"His Holiness took the opportunity to speak of the requirements of the natural moral law and the Church's consistent teaching on the dignity of human life from conception to natural death which enjoins all Catholics, and especially legislators, jurists and those responsible for the common good of society, to work in cooperation with all men and women of good will in creating a just system of laws capable of protecting human life at all stages of its development," the Vatican wrote, having released the statement moments before the two met.
Several hours later, Pelosi's office gave her take on the tete-a-tete.
"It is with great joy that my husband, Paul, and I met with his Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI today," Pelosi said in a statement released hours after the meeting. "In our conversation, I had the opportunity to praise the Church's leadership in fighting poverty, hunger and global warming, as well as the Holy Father's dedication to religious freedom and his upcoming trip and message to Israel. I was proud to show his Holiness a photograph of my family's papal visit in the 1950s, as well as a recent picture of our children and grandchildren."
The pontiff has a long history of urging Catholic politicians to toe the line on abortion, and has said that those who don't shouldn't take communion. Pelosi supports abortion rights and says she's never been denied communion at her church in San Francisco.
In 2002, the Vatican issued a doctrinal note on "The Participation of Catholics in Political Life," which states rather succinctly that politicians who profess to be Catholic have a "grave and clear obligation" to oppose any law that attacks human life.
That note was approved by John Paul II but signed by none other than Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger. He's now the pope.
The speaker does not share that belief, and even got into a verbal slugfest with American bishops last August after her statements on a news program about the Church's view of when life begins.
"I would say that as an ardent, practicing Catholic, this is an issue that I have studied for a long time. And what I know is, over the centuries, the doctors of the church have not been able to make that definition. And St. Augustine said at three months, we don't know. The point is, is that it shouldn't have an impact on the woman's right to choose," she said at the time on NBC's "Meet the Press."
She then added that the Church has only held the view for 50 years or so that life begins at conception. The remarks earned her widespread corrections by Catholic clerics.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/18/pelosi-pope-meeting-minds/

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The conduct of a marriage can easily be described as "business-like" in many aspects...as is the dispersal of accumulated wealth during the period of the contract.
Sorry, but no adult should be forced to live with another adult when they no longer wish to do so. We have plenty of legal precedent for sorting through assets and such, and given the contract has no expiration, dissolution should in no way be blocked. Ever.
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"You have no power over my body..." ~ Anne Hutchinson
"You think you know, sir!" ~ Cornflake Girl ~ Tori Amos.
Full length fiction: worlds undone
"You have no power over my body..." ~ Anne Hutchinson
The Pope with
Full length fiction: worlds undone
"You have no power over my body..." ~ Anne Hutchinson
I beg to differ.
In my family, women get pregnant only having sex during their periods.
Laura, I pointed out to you that NFP is just as reliable as the withdrawal method.
And how many of us know women who got pregnant that way?
"Sorry, but no adult should be forced to live with another adult when they no longer wish to do so. We have plenty of legal precedent for sorting through assets and such, and given the contract has no expiration, dissolution should in no way be blocked. Ever. "
That's what we have now, waiting periods to get a divorce.
>How do you know that God didn't facilitate the paying of your mortgage?<
I won't get into the discussion of the existence of God. If you'd like, I will debate this on the Religion board. (Please let me know if you want me to do that. I don't got there much.) Let's just say that
>It's also somewhat untrue to say that Paul "NEVER met Christ," because Paul claims to have done just that in a revelation on the the road to Damascus.<
OK, let's just say he never met Christ prior to his ascension.
>Paul seems to indicate that celibacy was a "spiritually higher" state, he also supported marriage and all that it entailed, only really encouraging celibacy for those outside the bonds of marriage.<
He supported marriage only to prevent sin, urging those who couldn't avoid lust to go ahead and marry. Then he urged widows to forget about remarrying, etc. It's late, and I'm not going to break out my Bible which is in my basement library.
>The teachings of the Church regarding the role of women has been fairly consistent.<
Really? Because even Paul refers to women Apostles (Junia for example), and women were addressed in his letters as running "churches" for lack of a better word. And let's not forget who Christ first showed his risen self to. It wasn't one of the guys he hung out with. And let's not even speak of the required churching of new mothers that occured for centuries.
>Well, I hate to break it to you, but while many millions agree with your perception of the divinity of Jesus, his actual existence irrevocably altered the world forever, which makes it kind of relevant.<
Well....it was more the devotion of his followers that affected said change. It's kind of like saying George Washington changed the world, when in reality it was the men who believed in him that did. Keep in mind, Jesus' message was not all that different from that of the Essenes.
>>>>> What's wrong with the horny? You do realize that many women can not have sex within a two week window without risking pregnancy?
Nothing 'wrong with the horny'........I'm reading this thread and I can't help but wonder why many seem to believe that having "a healthy sexual relationship" is impossible without intercourse (risking pregnancy) each time one gets horny / intimate?
>>I'm reading this thread and I can't help but wonder why many seem to believe that having "a healthy sexual relationship" is impossible without intercourse..
Have I beamed up to the wrong board?
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