The right's dangerous legal argument

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The right's dangerous legal argument
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Thu, 03-05-2009 - 9:46pm

Appearing for the supporters of Prop 8, Kenneth Starr, the former Whitewater prosecutor, said the people hold the right to modify the state constitution by adding or subtracting protections for civil rights.


Court appears ready to uphold Prop. 8



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Sun, 04-05-2009 - 12:44pm

"Where?

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Sun, 04-05-2009 - 3:20pm

They already DON'T confer the same rights.


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Registered: 02-19-2009
Sun, 04-05-2009 - 4:37pm

Where has someone been convicted on a hate crime charge

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Registered: 01-22-2009
Sun, 04-05-2009 - 4:47pm

>>> You said that civil unions offered EXACTLY the same rights as marriage. Currently they do not, so your statement was untrue.

Currently neither does "gay marriage," which renders your point moot. The FACT is that civil unions, a socio-legal contrivance, CAN be imbued with EXACTLY the same legal rights that marriage confers.

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Registered: 03-12-2009
Sun, 04-05-2009 - 4:55pm

Well then say that civil unions CAN offer the same rights from the get-go rather than claiming that they offer the EXACT same rights as marriage which implies that you mean that they currently offer the exact same rights as marriage.


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Sun, 04-05-2009 - 5:10pm
But they CAN...and with a lot less difficulty than pursuing "gay marriage." But then, "rights" really aren't the goal for militant gays, are they?
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Sun, 04-05-2009 - 5:32pm
Would you still persue "marriage" even if "civil unions" are adjusted so as to include the exact same rights that come with marriage? Even if it's the seemingly shorter route to equality? Your leaders DO support "civil unions", they do NOT support "gay marriage", so the chances towards legal equality are greater when 'you' call it "civil unions" no?
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Sun, 04-05-2009 - 5:37pm

I don't know any militant gays.

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Registered: 08-13-2008
Sun, 04-05-2009 - 5:39pm

We would not stand in the way of civil union law, but so long as the option exists, we will push for marriage.


Thereafter - after passage of a civil union law - we will continue to push for full marriage rights.



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Registered: 01-22-2009
Sun, 04-05-2009 - 7:48pm

>>> I don't know any militant gays.

Ok.

>>> "Militant gays" is a fearmongering term, used to deflect from a real discourse regarding equal rights.

But you (and others) have already proven that the whole "gay marriage" issue is not about equal rights.

>>> Equality is being pursued.

No...it's not.

>>> Marriage already has all the components in place. No need to recreate anything, just remove the discrimination.

And redefine it...no thanks. Not necessary to cause confusion and conflict when we can just create a parallel civil institution that affords all the same rights. It's about rights, right?

>>> This is so much like the prior bigotry in this country. It was wrong then, it's still wrong.

It's nothing like that at all. Homosexuals have precisely the same rights as everyone else does...and even a few considerations more.

>>> WHY CAN'T YOU (fill in the group being denied rights) people just sit in the back of the bus and behave? Why do you have to be so uppity and demand equal?

Er..."rights?" It's about "rights"...right?

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