The right's dangerous legal argument

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The right's dangerous legal argument
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Thu, 03-05-2009 - 9:46pm

Appearing for the supporters of Prop 8, Kenneth Starr, the former Whitewater prosecutor, said the people hold the right to modify the state constitution by adding or subtracting protections for civil rights.


Court appears ready to uphold Prop. 8



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Thu, 03-12-2009 - 9:00pm

random fun fact... there are certain species of reptiles that only have female members... some scientists predict that one day humans will be an only female species...female with female sex will produce children.

luckily, gay marriage will be legal by then so we wont have to have kids out of wedlock ;) i guess we will have to edit the bible.

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Thu, 03-12-2009 - 10:57pm

My computer time has been spotty lately, as I am either working or taking care of the kids for most of the day. Throw in a bunch of cats and a dog, and it ends up being late at night before I get some quiet time. Anyway...


Re: adoption, I think I asked what your stance is re: permitting same sex couples to adopt, and also I am wondering if you have adopted (ex. domestic special needs)

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Thu, 03-12-2009 - 11:09pm
Yes, and a flea is capable of reproducing also - but fleas don't get married. The ability to reproduce is not a requirement of a committed relationship - and marriage is the ultimate committed relationship. What purpose does it serve society to marginalize people based on sexual preference? NONE.

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Thu, 03-12-2009 - 11:40pm

~I agree with the idea that parenting carries a lot of the blame~

>>> Are American parents worse than here?

Well, first we'd have to define "worse"...beyond that, I don't know enough about the Canadian family/culture situation to make a fair comparison. Perhaps we should explore.

~as well as the rampant liberalism that has permeated our society~

>>> That would make sense if my country wasn't more liberal than yours - with a far lower abortion rate and lower teen pregnancy rate.

From what I understand, Canada is more liberal...and it may have a similar impact on your abortion/teen pregnancy rates as it does on ours with other factors tipping the balance.

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Fri, 03-13-2009 - 12:09am

<<< Setting aside conservatism and liberalism for the moment, the issue is one of a societal commitment to dissemination of information, health care, and preventative products.

I agree it's one of societal commitment...and one that society has failed to live up to. As for health care and preventative products...no...that's all readily available and has been for decades.

>>> I surely hope parents are on board in getting this done, but not all are, so we cannot stop there. American schools do not deal with this issue as some other nations do,and it shows.

Again, I disagree.

>>> We do not provide enough education, as parents, as a society. We do not see to it that health care extends to all, and that very much includes wellness care. We do not make contraceptives easy to obtain.

LOL! We've been "educating" our kids for years and years...and health care for all isn't a hedge against abortion...in fact, if liberals have their way, it will probably stick tax-payers for the cost. And contraceptives aren't easy to obtain? I don't know where you live, but in most of the country, they're available on every street corner and even over the internet.

>>> This isn't a liberal or conservative thing, I know conservatives who are all for these measures.

There are a lot of foolish people in the world.

>>> You are a great advocate for our role in promoting freedom around the world, yet curiously you continually advocate for restrictions at home. You argue for gun rights, yet you argue for restrictions on people.

What restrictions do you imagine I'm arguing for?

>>> Removing stigma from single pregnant women is not a moral decay issue.

It certainly is...and it breeds emulation and the disintegration of the family unit.

>>> Opening the blinds to show that incest and sexual assault and abuse happens is not moral decay.

Prosecute the crimes...one has nothing to do with the other.

>>> Removing want ads that advertise for 'female help wanted' is not moral decay.

???

>>> Women competing in high school and college sports in numbers that rival men is not moral decay.

Who cares if they compete...as long as it isn't on the same teams.

>>> Getting divorced is not moral decay, the reasons people divorce always existed. Some of those reasons are things many women never would have dared to call out 60 years ago, but we can now, and they can get away and build a better life.

>>> With freedom comes responsibility, and we have to teach responsibility, one is not born responsible or irresponsible... but if it is our societal expectation, we damn well need to teach it.

Right...and liberalism hampers the teaching of strong values and societal obligations. Kick liberalism to the curb, reinstate social and religious values and we'll be fine.

>>> We need to teach our young by providing them with the very best information we have, and we need to teach them how to evaluate and make good choices.

Hmmm...I wonder why that never occurred to anyone before?

>>> I'll say it again. This is not a liberal or conservative thing, it is an us thing, and we all need to make it work. Hillary was right on the money: it takes a village.

Wrong, it is a liberal vs conservative thing...and the liberals have burned down the village.

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Fri, 03-13-2009 - 12:09am

As far as I know fleas don't get married, but I don't speak flea.


And, yes, you can have a committed relationship without being married.


And marriage is defined as being between a man and a woman, for thousands of years.


And, I don't see anybody being marginalized.

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Fri, 03-13-2009 - 1:51am

~My computer time has been spotty lately, as I am either working or taking care of the kids for most of the day. Throw in a bunch of cats and a dog, and it ends up being late at night before I get some quiet time. Anyway...~


I understand

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Fri, 03-13-2009 - 1:58am

~And marriage is defined as being between a man and a woman, for thousands of years.~


Hmm... no.

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Fri, 03-13-2009 - 3:34am


~Family... that's a bit different than the marriage argument...~


Just to clarify, you

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Fri, 03-13-2009 - 8:58am

I agree it's one of societal commitment...and one that society has failed to live up to. As for health care and preventative products...no...that's all readily available and has been for decades.


It has? Millions disagree.


LOL! We've been "educating" our kids for years and years...and health care for all isn't a hedge against abortion...in fact, if liberals have their way, it will probably stick tax-payers for the cost. And contraceptives aren't easy to obtain? I don't know where you live, but in most of the country, they're available on every street corner and even over the internet.


You are back to that liberal thing again. It has nothing to do with liberal and conservative, last I knew, we are all Americans. It is about common sense and multiple layers of redundancy and reinforcement such that the message is clear and understood, along with an ability to effectively reason and make good choices, while having good choices actually available.


Abstinence only is the easy and ineffective way out.


It certainly is...and it breeds emulation and the disintegration of the family unit.


Single moms do this, really? Who knew?


Who cares if they compete...as long as it isn't on the same teams.


Best high school hockey player ever in this state played on the boys team... but was female, go figure.


Right...and liberalism hampers the teaching of strong values and societal obligations. Kick liberalism to the curb, reinstate social and religious values and we'll be fine.


It does? Or does it teach responsibility comes with greater freedom? You claim to wish to promote freedom around the world - that whole Iraq nonsense - yet you get all over liberals for advocating the right to choose whether one belongs to a religion, which one, and a whole host of other things a sentient being should have the right to self-determine.


What you advocate is a slippery slope to intolerance, and the slippery slope to intolerance usually ends up as oppressive and inhumane.



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"You have no power over my body..." ~ Anne Hutchinson


"You think you know, sir!" ~ Cornflake Girl ~ Tori Amos.


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