The right's dangerous legal argument

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The right's dangerous legal argument
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Thu, 03-05-2009 - 9:46pm

Appearing for the supporters of Prop 8, Kenneth Starr, the former Whitewater prosecutor, said the people hold the right to modify the state constitution by adding or subtracting protections for civil rights.


Court appears ready to uphold Prop. 8



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Registered: 02-12-2009
Sat, 03-21-2009 - 2:39am

>>> Can you point to communities with high ses that have the crime stats in your link?

No.

>>> I read them all, apparently more closely than you did. Did you notice that you included one link twice - I caught that!

I copied the link from it's second position to the top because it was a link that contained many links...sorry I forgot to delete it further down.

>>> High SES parents are involved in their children's lives, regardless of work status. Did you want to dispute the study I included in my link? ...chirping...I thought not.

I guess that depends on what your definition of "involved" is. And "work status" is particularly relevant. With a single mother working, who's "involved" with the kids while she's away? Hmmm...

>>> Daycare raises kids? Who knew?

Drop the kid off at 7AM...pick them up at 6PM...feed them and in bed by 8PM...who's raising the kids? Hmmm...

>>> Does your school system raise your children, or are children miraculously raised by the age of 5?

There's a big difference in social and emotional development between an infant and a 5 year old...but of course the schools have a HUGE impact on your children, and most of it is "valueless"...and when the parent is absentee there's little else to compete with it. But again, who's "involved" with the kids between the time when school lets out and the parents get home? Hmmm...

>>> Do the little woman homeschool, too?

I don't know what size has to do with this.

>>> Does the working father have any raising responsibility to their progeny?

They should.

>>> How can I tell my little leech..., I mean darlings, that they are already raised? They haven't been in daycare for years.

You could turn the TV off and try talking to them.

>>> The food, clothing, shelter, emo outbursts, and the awe "I love you moments" thing still seems to be pretty raising intensivel, but I've got a teen dd and and 2 very hungry preteen boys. Maybe I'm doing it wrong?

Wrong? Do you think that putting kids in daycare and leaving them unmonitored after school is doing it "right?"

>>> I personally feel I've got a ways to go. We've got middle school, high school and college to get through before the raising is done.

Then there's still hope.

>>> Is it different in neanderthal land?

Is "neanderthal land" where parents actually care for and raise their children themselves instead of farming them out? If so, that explains why liberals are so unfamiliar with it.

>>> I have no problem with your sahm/wohd family, I came from one - It's a valid choice, but it's not the only choice to raise healthy, happy children.

Then liberals should send a card to their daycares, thanking them for doing such a good job raising their "healthy, happy children"...except for those who didn't turn out so "healthy" and "happy."

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Registered: 02-12-2009
Sat, 03-21-2009 - 2:43am

>>> I prefer that courts look at the issue with an eye to what what other countries do,

We don't run our country on the whims of other nations...especially liberal ones.

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Sat, 03-21-2009 - 2:49am

We already have the right...but it would take such and enormous consensus of opinion and re-writing of our Constitution and our laws that it would be a near impossibility.

But hopefully the left will stop offering up ridiculous strawman arguments and deal with the issue at hand. No rights are being TAKEN from homosexuals...instead, they are asking for ADDITIONAL rights and the appropriation of marriage.

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Registered: 02-12-2009
Sat, 03-21-2009 - 2:52am

<< We both know that isn't going to happen though.

>>> "We" do?

Was something brought up at the last DNC meeting that we're not aware of? LOL!

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Registered: 02-12-2009
Sat, 03-21-2009 - 2:53am

>>> The California Supreme Court previously ruled that marriage is a civil right and it had been legal in California so in fact, wasn't there a vote to "remove" that "right"?

No...there was a vote to preserve the traditional definition of marriage.

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Sat, 03-21-2009 - 2:55am

>>> As I already said, the California Supreme Court previously ruled that marriage is a civil right. The ruling declared that the state Constitution protected a fundamental right to marry that extended equally to same-sex couples. Prop 8 now takes away those rights that were already granted so yes, rights are being removed.

Marriage being a civil right has not been overturned. The definition of marriage has been clarified constitutionally.

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Sat, 03-21-2009 - 3:07am
"The young men who are doing this are straight.
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Sat, 03-21-2009 - 3:25am

~Are they married?

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Sat, 03-21-2009 - 3:41am

I not only read the post to which you were responding, I wrote it:


Me, post #504:

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Registered: 02-04-2009
Sat, 03-21-2009 - 3:49am
>>>>> (381) She told me that there is "no difference" between my wife and I and she and

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