The right's dangerous legal argument

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The right's dangerous legal argument
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Thu, 03-05-2009 - 9:46pm

Appearing for the supporters of Prop 8, Kenneth Starr, the former Whitewater prosecutor, said the people hold the right to modify the state constitution by adding or subtracting protections for civil rights.


Court appears ready to uphold Prop. 8



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Registered: 07-04-2005
Sat, 03-28-2009 - 11:15pm

A religious ceremony is optional. It is not required for legal marriage. Therefore, LEGAL marriage is not a sacrament, nor does it require any religious ceremoney.

I'm not happy to accept civil unions, unless that will be the term used for all. Why change the term? Marriage already exists as the term for the LEGAL status. No one owns the term. There's no need for different terms. One term already provides the legal status.

Soon enough, both gay and straight folks will be able to marry the consenting adult of their choice, and it will be called marriage for all.


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Registered: 07-04-2005
Sat, 03-28-2009 - 11:15pm
Not yet.
But the day is coming.

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Registered: 07-04-2005
Sat, 03-28-2009 - 11:16pm

Asking for the same rights is not asking for anything extraordinary.


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Registered: 07-04-2005
Sat, 03-28-2009 - 11:17pm
Hardly.

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Registered: 03-24-2009
Sat, 03-28-2009 - 11:22pm

I wanted to thank you for your posts.


Re: the most recent, it can sometimes be hard for people to understand the difference between marriage as a religious sacrament and marriage as a civic institution.


Of course,

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Registered: 07-04-2005
Sat, 03-28-2009 - 11:28pm

I think that most understand the difference between the legal marriage, and the religious ceremony, even if playing devils advocate is more fun.

When I was married, the ceremony took place in a church. The priest was recognized as a party able to sign the marriage certificate, to make the marriage legal.

Of course, I could have done what my father did when he remarried..15 minutes with a justice of the peace, no religion, no priest. But yes, a signed marriage certificate at the end of the service.


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Sat, 03-28-2009 - 11:37pm
No, it's true...really.
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Sat, 03-28-2009 - 11:39pm
;)

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Registered: 02-12-2009
Sat, 03-28-2009 - 11:46pm

>>> Asking for the same rights is not asking for anything extraordinary.

They're not asking for the same rights,,,that's a fact proven by the definition of the institution itself. A cat is not a dog and calling a cat a dog does not make a cat a dog.

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Registered: 07-04-2005
Sat, 03-28-2009 - 11:51pm

Exactly.


And a civil union is not a marriage, and calling it "the same" as a marriage does not make it so, anymore than calling a cat a dog, makes a cat a dog!


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