Why are the Stupak 12 Hiding??

iVillage Member
Registered: 01-24-2010
Why are the Stupak 12 Hiding??
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Tue, 03-09-2010 - 10:21pm

According to an anti-choice web site they include, along with Bart Stupak:

Jerry Costello (D-IL), Kathy Dahlkemper (D-PA), Joe Donnelly (D-IN), Steve Dreihaus (D-OH), Brad Ellsworth (D-IN), Marcy Kaptur (D-OH), Dale Kildee (D-MI), Dan Lipinski (D-IL), Jim Oberstar (D-MN), and Charlie Wilson (D-OH), Anh Cao (R-La, only Republican to vote for House healthcare bill),

http://www.lifenews.com/nat6070.html
http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/03/04/anti-choice-site-names-the-stupak-12/

Why are they hiding? Isn't our system of government supposed to be transparent?

If they have done nothing wrong why are they hiding?

Why are they part of secret pact to derail healthcare over abortion when both the House and the Senate bill state that they do not provide federal funding for abortion?

If they are using the power we gave them for the people like they swore they would, why are they acting like they have something to hide?

Really, why won't these politicians admit who they are?

Watch Oberstar, for example, waffle on whether he is part of the secret pact:

"On Thursday, Oberstar's office acknowledged that the congressman was very uncomfortable with the Senate bill's abortion language, but also said it's unclear who is on Stupak's list of 12. Stupak's office didn't return phone calls on Thursday."

http://www.startribune.com/opinion/commentary/86403562.html?page=2&c=y

Why are these Democrats against transparency in government?

Do they think we elected them to hide the workings of our government on one of the most important issues of our time?

If you voted for any of these people, I think it's time to contact their offices and let them know what you think about their actions. Just type their name into Google and their office will come up with a way to email and call them. Unfortunately, it's speak now or forever hold your peace on this issue.

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iVillage Member
Registered: 02-01-2010
Tue, 03-09-2010 - 11:25pm

>>> Why are they hiding? Isn't our system of government supposed to be transparent?

Not since the Dems took over.

>>> If they have done nothing wrong why are they hiding?

You just listed them. If they're hiding they're doing a pretty bad job of it.

>>> Why are they part of secret pact to derail healthcare over abortion when both the House and the Senate bill state that they do not provide federal funding for abortion?

If the bills don't provide federal funding for abortion then why are these folks saying it does...and writing amendments to correct it? And, if the bills don't include fed funding language, why aren't the Dems just willing to appease Stupak, who apparently only wants what they want, and add his amendment?

>>> If they are using the power we gave them for the people like they swore they would, why are they acting like they have something to hide?

Stupak is very well known these days...not doing a very good job of hiding.

>>> Really, why won't these politicians admit who they are?

They do...they oppose the libs attempts to force tax-payers to fund the slaughter of millions of unborn babies.

>>> Watch Oberstar, for example, waffle on whether he is part of the secret pact: "On Thursday, Oberstar's office acknowledged that the congressman was very uncomfortable with the Senate bill's abortion language, but also said it's unclear who is on Stupak's list of 12. Stupak's office didn't return phone calls on Thursday."

Sounds like they're taking a position based on conscience. Hopefully they won't fold to the pro-abortion crowd.

>>> Do they think we elected them to hide the workings of our government on one of the most important issues of our time?

ROFL!!! And who is it who's holding secret meetings on healthcare? Oh, right...Barry and his Dem clown circus.

>>> If you voted for any of these people, I think it's time to contact their offices and let them know what you think about their actions. Just type their name into Google and their office will come up with a way to email and call them. Unfortunately, it's speak now or forever hold your peace on this issue.

Right...support those who oppose Obamacare. Let's kill this thing before the corrupt Dems are able to shove it down the throats of an American people who obviously don't want any part of it...and then let's "kill" the Dems in November so this boondoggle can be put to rest for another decade or two.

iVillage Member
Registered: 01-24-2010
Wed, 03-10-2010 - 7:55am

">>> Why are they hiding? Isn't our system of government supposed to be transparent?
Not since the Dems took over."

I actually agree with you on something! There is not enough transparency here. Again, if anyone voted for any of these people, Republicans and Democrats agree, please call them and ask them why they are not more transparent on this important issue and their vote, on your behalf, on healthcare reform.

We the People will not be heard unless we speak up.

iVillage Member
Registered: 09-30-2009
Wed, 03-10-2010 - 10:46am

"We the People will not be heard unless we speak up."


Thumbs-up! ;-)

iVillage Member
Registered: 01-24-2010
Wed, 03-10-2010 - 10:46pm

Stupak's constituents are now fed up with his monkey business and he has himself a primary challenger, no matter how he votes: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/10/stupak-facing-primary-challenger-over-abortion-funding/?fbid=-cK_guE1F7W

Other Democrats hiding in the Stupak 12, you are on notice. Watch what happens soon if you keep this up.

iVillage Member
Registered: 02-01-2010
Wed, 03-10-2010 - 11:02pm

>>> I actually agree with you on something!

I think I saw Satan wearing Uggs and mittens. ; )

>>> There is not enough transparency here.

Enough? With all of the Dems secret meetings and backroom deals? There's NO transparency here.

>>> Again, if anyone voted for any of these people, Republicans and Democrats agree, please call them and ask them why they are not more transparent on this important issue and their vote, on your behalf, on healthcare reform.

Nope...it isn't the Republicans who are hiding the process...it's the Dems...only...and they're hiding it because they know the people will turn on them in droves if they could see the corruption...just like they are.

>>> We the People will not be heard unless we speak up.

True enough...hence the Tea Parties. Support the will of the people and defeat this corrupt healthcrap bill and toss the Dems out on their ears come November.

iVillage Member
Registered: 02-01-2010
Thu, 03-11-2010 - 2:22am
Pro-abortion, pro-Obamacare Saltonstall doesn't stand a chance...not that Stupak's much better. The progressives had their chance and they showed the American people who they really are...and the country is rejecting them. Hopefully all "progressives" will be tossed out on their ears come November.
iVillage Member
Registered: 01-24-2010
Thu, 03-11-2010 - 7:06am

"Enough? With all of the Dems secret meetings and backroom deals? There's NO transparency here."

Let's be clear. As the President said, healthcare reform has been debated for over a year. We agree that transparency could be improved - especially around stunts like this latest one by the Stupak 12 which may cost them all their jobs.

The overall process, however, has been ok and Republicans are certainly in no position to complain about lack of transparency. The President held an open meeting with Republicans to hear their ideas. And as for the lack of transparency you are complaining about - a lot of it was in private meetings with Republicans last year that the Republicans dragged on for months.

At the end of the day, many ideas of Republicans are incorporated in the bill, so much so that the bill looks a lot like what Republicans would vote for if they had to vote for healthcare reform. But that is the point. Republicans don't want healthcare reform.

That's right, Republicans have shown without a doubt that they don't want healthcare reform, no matter what it looks like, in any way, shape or form. Republicans killed healthcare reform in the early 1990s. Then, when Republicans took control of the White House, Senate and House last decade, Republicans did nothing to reform our healthcare system except pass a massive, totally unfunded expansion of the Medicare prescription drug program that is a boondoggle to their friends in Big Pharma. And in the meantime healthcare costs for ordinary Americans skyrocketed, negated any wage gains over the past decade and worsening the effect of the current economic downturn.

Now Republicans are telling the President he should throw all the efforts out again and "start over." It's pretty obvious that is a lie. Republicans don't want to start over. They don't want to start the healthcare reform effort period. Unbelievably, they are happy to see things continue on their current path.

America sees what is going on. It wants healthcare reform by a vast majority. The polls show it. And America wants what is in the Democratic bill. Republican fearmongering, misinformation and lies about the bill, like the death panel lie, are the only reason the bill is not much more popular.

As the President says, it is time to pass this bill. And the Stupak 12 better watch out if they keep this up.

iVillage Member
Registered: 02-03-2009
Thu, 03-11-2010 - 8:24am

LOL!! If Democrats want to slit their own throat, then I'm all for it.

iVillage Member
Registered: 01-24-2010
Thu, 03-11-2010 - 9:02pm

"And any Democrat who votes for this horrendous bill will be going down."

Hmmmm. Let's use a little logic here. You are rabidly against all Democrats. You certainly are not out to help Democrats get elected.

Why do you feel so strongly all of a sudden to help Democrats? Put yourself in the Democrats shoes. If you are a logical person, no way you would trust your advice on this. In fact, you would do the exact opposite.

I haven't gone back and looked, but I have a funny feeling Republicans probably said the same thing when Democrats passed Medicare, or Social Security, or opposed Republican attempts to destroy these institutions for the American people.

Your note should be most encouraging for Democrats.

And as for us shooting ourselves in the foot with the Stupak 12 as you say, if they continue to oppose something as important to the American people as healthcare reform over an anti-abortion argument that is completely false and made up like the death panel myth, then good riddance.

You may welcome the Ensigns, Vitters, Craigs, Sanfords and other Republican sleezebag politicians that keep hanging on long after they've shown their true cards as scum. We Democrats try our best to get rid of them like we got rid of Spitzer.

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-02-2009
Thu, 03-11-2010 - 11:37pm

I'm just wondering where you get the idea that "a vast majority" of Americans want Obamacare. I hear this on left wing radio and from nit wits like Keith Overbite, but they never back it up.


If such a vastness of the people want this, why are they trying to pass it before the November elections? Surely, with all this support, November will bring so many more democrats into Congress that the people's will will be done. They'll probably have about 400 seats in the house and 65 in the senate, assuming that the bill has the support of that vast majority of Americans.


Now Republicans are telling the President he should throw all the efforts out again and "start over." It's pretty obvious that is a lie.


...most U.S. voters (55%) would rather see Congress scrap the original plan and start all over again, according to the latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey.


America sees what is going on. It wants healthcare reform by a vast majority. The polls show it. And America wants what is in the Democratic bill.


While the president and his congressional allies search for a way to pass their proposed health care plan, most voters remain opposed to it. Forty-two percent (42%) now favor the plan, while 53% are against it, findings that have remained relatively constant since just after Thanksgiving. The new figures include just 20% who Strongly Favor the plan and 41% who are Strongly Opposed.


Only 21% of voters nationwide believe the federal government now enjoys the consent of the governed. Seventy-five percent (75%) are at least somewhat angry at the government’s current policies.


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/march_2010/57_predict_health_care_plan_will_hurt_the_economy

"Resist, we much. We must, and we much. About that, be committed."

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