What do you think of Francis Bellamy

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Registered: 11-20-2008
What do you think of Francis Bellamy
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Sat, 03-13-2010 - 10:43am

I was just wondering what everyone thought of Francis Bellamy and the ORIGINAL version of the pledge ?

Since many feel strongly that the words "Under God" MUST remain, what do you think of the author who ORIGINALLY wrote the pledge without the inclusion of "Under God" ?

Do you think the pledge as originally written was flawed for excluding God. Do you think of Francis Bellamy as some sort of flawed human (or perhaps a liberal) for writing a pledge without mention of God ?

With such vitriol directed at those who wish to see the pledge RESTORED to it's ORIGINAL form (or to an earlier version, it was changed a few times) what do you think of the ORIGINAL pledge and the author who penned the ORIGINAL version.

Do you think it's disrespectful of his work to edit it, or do you think it was disrespectful of him to write the pledge without mention of God ?

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Registered: 10-28-2009
Sat, 03-13-2010 - 10:54am
LOL! I just got a HUGE kick out of reading a short biography of Francis Bellamy. It's enough for real patriots to want to abolish the Pledge of Allegiance altogether.
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Sat, 03-13-2010 - 11:14am

I think it's totally ironic that a MINISTER wrote the pledge withOUT the word God, and POLITICIANs edited the phrase in.

And the courts have ruled that the phrase really isn't religions anyway (IOW, we don't really mean it) And I find it so ironic that supposedly religions types are celebrating this court affirmation of using the Lord's name in vain.

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Registered: 10-28-2009
Sat, 03-13-2010 - 11:22am
Don't forget the fact that besides being a Baptist minister, he was a Christian Socialist. Add that little fact to not putting in the word "God," and that should be enough to cause a hissy fit in some conservatives.
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Registered: 11-20-2008
Sat, 03-13-2010 - 11:39am

I am surprised that so many so called "Conservative Christians" are rallying around the cause of daily recitation by school children, of something originally written by a socialist. I guess they figure it was sufficiently "edited" by a group of politicians (under pressure from a Catholic Group) to pass muster.

I really don't understand how their hatred of "big government" fits into this. Isn't the pledge just big government dictating that every school day, at the beginning of the day students shall be pressured to ceremoniously recite these words, including a non-religious reference to the word "God".

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Registered: 02-14-2010
Sat, 03-13-2010 - 10:38pm
I think Bellamy was a typical socialist. He was happy to write a piece of indoctrination, but was horrified when the pledge was adjusted to say 'to the flag of the United States' his intention was to seek allegiance through indoctrination, but not allegiance to our country.
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Registered: 02-14-2010
Sat, 03-13-2010 - 10:42pm

Yea, a guy that claimed he was a minister, but preached politics every time he got in front of the pulpit, enough so that he got himself thrown out.

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Registered: 09-14-1997
Sat, 03-13-2010 - 10:46pm

I will check Bellamy's grave and see if he is rolling over in it.

iVillage Member
Registered: 02-14-2010
Sat, 03-13-2010 - 10:54pm

The left is claiming this is a form of religious indoctrination because of two words, 'under God' after it's been well-documented the entire rest of the pledge was intented to be used as a piece of indoctrination by the left to begin with.


The right inserted two words and co-opted the whole pledge for their own purposes, now the left is pouting and crying foul. I find that pretty darn funny.

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Registered: 11-20-2008
Thu, 03-18-2010 - 2:00am

So you admit, that the pledge is nothing more than a tool of indoctrination ?

Good reason to drop it all together then, right ?

Or is indoctrination OK, as long as it is right wingers, trying to create a theocracy ?

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Registered: 02-28-2010
Thu, 03-18-2010 - 3:31am

Why of course - then it's downright Amer-ikun!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eBLveddSfM&feature=related




Edited 3/18/2010 3:35 am ET by tinkerbell2010

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