Democrats are cowards

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Registered: 03-01-2010
Democrats are cowards
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Tue, 03-16-2010 - 9:25am

Are Democrats stupid????? They KNOW Americans don't want this bill. THEY don't even want the bill, yet they are going to cram it down our throats anyway!!! AND.....they can go on record of NOT voting for it....to save their pathetic careers. WHAT A BUNCH OF YELLOW BELLIED COWARDS!!!

Updated March 16, 2010

Pelosi Plan to Pass Health Care Without Traditional Vote Riles Critics
FOXNews.com

A newly emerging Democratic plan to vote on health care reform without really voting on health care reform has critics riled up, accusing House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her allies of resorting to legislative trickery to send a bill to President Obama's desk.

A newly emerging Democratic plan to vote on health care reform without really voting on health care reform has critics riled up, as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her allies are accused of resorting to legislative trickery to send a bill to President Obama's desk.

Senate Democratic leaders had already drawn jeers from Republicans for a plan to try to pass a follow-up health bill with only 51 votes, as opposed to 60. Now Pelosi and Rep. Louise Slaughter, D-N.Y., chairwoman of the House Rules Committee, are cooking up a plan to pass the original health bill from the Senate side without forcing rank-and-file Democrats to technically go on record in support of it.

"Republicans believe that if the Democrats are willing to have the government take over our health care system, they should be willing to vote for it -- without any gimmicks," House Republican Leader John Boehner's office said in a statement. "Democrats wonder why people are so upset with Washington."

Here's how the maneuver would work and why Pelosi wants it:

Before Congress can consider the package of changes that many lawmakers want in exchange for their support on the original bill, the House has to first pass the original bill from the Senate side.

Problem is, even with assurances that the package of changes will be considered, many House Democrats don't want to go on record in support of the Senate bill -- what with its sweetheart deals, tax on high-value insurance plans and other controversial provisions.

Enter the Pelosi tactic, known as a "self-executing rule."

Under this tactic, the House could simultaneously approve the Senate version of the bill while voting on the package of changes. This would "deem" the Senate bill passed, though not directly show members voting in favor of passage.

It may sound murky, but the option is winning favor among Democrats.

Pelosi reportedly told liberal bloggers Monday that "nobody wants to vote for the Senate bill," and so she's strongly considering the non-vote vote.

"I like it, because people don't have to vote on the Senate bill," she said.

Republicans are dubious.

"That's not exactly a ringing endorsement for a plan that will remake one-sixth of the American economy," Boehner's office said.

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Registered: 03-10-2010
Tue, 03-16-2010 - 9:45am
Why would it be cowardly to do the difficult thing - pass health care reform? I don't understand. Wouldn't it be cowardly to do the easy thing and walk away?

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Registered: 03-01-2010
Tue, 03-16-2010 - 10:42am

It's cowardly because none of the democrats what their name attached to the bill. If they want it so badly, VOTE FOR IT AND OWN IT!!!!

Shouldn't they be PROUD of it if it's so great? Shouldn't they WANT their name attached to it if it's so great?

COWARDS!!! Every last one of them!

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Registered: 03-10-2010
Tue, 03-16-2010 - 11:01am
Both the House and Senate have records of who has voted for the bills. Their names are already on it. They can't unvote their votes. Since this would likely be just the House of Reps voting for the Senate bill, then yes, an additional vote would show up, but they already have a vote on record.

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Registered: 07-24-2009
Tue, 03-16-2010 - 11:02am
You do realize that the House already voted to pass healthcare reform, right? What they're doing now is negotiating whether (and how) to accept the Senate's (also already passed) version of the bill, before compromises are made. The House is already on record being in favor of a much more robust healthcare reform bill than the Senate version, so I'm not sure they're being as cowardly as you think they are. It's really not that complicated.
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Registered: 03-10-2010
Tue, 03-16-2010 - 11:52am
I think it can be complicated if you watch cable television news. Even Chris Matthews had to be corrected by Rep. Grayson. Matthews, who worked for Tip O'Neill, actually did not grasp that a majority had passed the Senate bill and a majority had passed the House bill, and that reconciliation was to be used NOT for the health care bill itself, but for a sidecar of "fixes" after the House adopted the Senate bill. He looked totally confused. He then asked what the problem was, so Grayson had to explain to him that there are Democrats in the House who don't like the Senate bill. Ugh...here was a guy with his own television program who had worked in Congress that thought that reconciliation was for the WHOLE health care bill.

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Registered: 07-24-2009
Tue, 03-16-2010 - 11:57am
And Matthews is a "liberal". Imagine how confusing it gets when the right-wing noise machine is also putting forth misleading and false information (purposely and otherwise). It's exactly what the Republicans are counting on.
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Registered: 02-28-2010
Tue, 03-16-2010 - 11:58am

Actually the cowards are the Health Insurance companies - The Daily Show does it again!!


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/16/daily-shows-aasif-mandvi_n_500722.html

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Registered: 03-10-2010
Tue, 03-16-2010 - 1:20pm
LOL!

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Registered: 10-27-2009
Tue, 03-16-2010 - 3:24pm

Yes, we do realize that it was voted on by the majority in the House and the Senate.


Do you realize that compromises can't be made until the Senate bill has been passed by the House and signed into law by the POTUS? Then, what incentive does the Senate have to revisit the bill and change it according to the wishes of the House, including the pro-life Dems in the House.


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Registered: 10-27-2009
Tue, 03-16-2010 - 3:30pm

Did Grayson also explain to Mathews that it would be highly unusual and bizarre to pass fixes such as abortion using reconciliation, when it has nothing whatsoever to do with the budget?

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