Another Bogus Conservative "Contract"

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Registered: 01-24-2010
Another Bogus Conservative "Contract"
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Fri, 04-16-2010 - 10:57pm

How dumb do conservatives think America is?

Remember their famous Contract with America whose promises swept them into power in 1994? They promised, among others, fiscal responsibility and personal responsibility. Within a decade we had a Republican Congress rubber stamping Bush's outrageous deficit spending during a period of economic expansion when we should have been saving like we did under Bill Clinton. And we had Jack Abramoff and a web of Republican corruption in Congress. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract_with_America#Content_of_the_Contract In other words, we have a materially breached contract with massive damages to America and no remedy or accountability by Republicans.

Now, after only about a year since Bush and three years since our last Republican majority of wastrels in Congress, we have the "Contract from America" which promises, among others, more fiscal responsibility, balanced budgets, and ending "runaway government spending" and stopping the "pork", i.e. corruption, in Congress. http://www.thecontract.org/ In other words, we have a good case for fraud in the inducement.

This Contract from America is clearly aimed at people who are, to put it as gently as I can, gullible.

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Registered: 01-24-2010
Mon, 04-19-2010 - 11:16pm

Here is what has happened to our nation's debt level relative to the size of our economy under Democratic and Republican Presidents.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Federal_Debt_as_Percent_of_GDP_by_President.jpg

Look at how this debt level relative to GDP goes down under Democrats (after they deal with the Republican fallout) and way up under Republicans since Nixon/Ford.

You can't be serious in expecting Obama to turn on a dime the steep upward curve with which Bush II left him? Doing that would have sucked the last bit of spending/life out of our economy and sunk us into another Great Depression. Hoover tried exactly that and caused the last Great Depression.

And you are far off in stating "Barry has spent three times, in one year, what Bush spent in eight." In fact, Bush roughly doubled our debt, adding in 8 years 6 trillion dollars worth of debt equal to the roughly 6 trillion that over 200 years worth of Presidents spent before him. So far, Obama has added less than 2 trillion to get us out of the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us_debt

Particularly in view of the facts, I am afraid that this exchange does not enhance your credibility:

">>> So can you do me a favor? Can you please stop the silly name calling and incorrect factual assertions? How about we engage in a civil debate of the real facts and the real record of both parties?
Name calling? No...the idiot Dems deserve to be called idiot Dems, after all, they've proven they're idiots by their idiotic policies. As for "a civil debate of the real facts and the real record of both parties"...sure as soon as you start using facts instead of drivel from the far-far-left newsletter."

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Registered: 02-01-2010
Tue, 04-20-2010 - 1:07am

>>> Here is what has happened to our nation's debt level relative to the size of our economy under Democratic and Republican Presidents. Look at how this debt level relative to GDP goes down under Democrats (after they deal with the Republican fallout) and way up under Republicans since Nixon/Ford.

Um...I'm not sure you were looking at the same chart, but the three highest peaks were Democrats...but if you want to get into a serious discussion about spending, then skip the gross stats and offer specifics...like what was the spending for and the relationship to taxes. From what you've shown, I can see nothing to dispel the Democrat "tax and spend" moniker...and Obama has only proven it exponentially.

>>> You can't be serious in expecting Obama to turn on a dime the steep upward curve with which Bush II left him?

"Bush left him"...ROFL!!! Sorry...that just made me laugh.

>>> Doing that would have sucked the last bit of spending/life out of our economy and sunk us into another Great Depression. Hoover tried exactly that and caused the last Great Depression.

LOL! Can you share with us all of the policies that Barry has put in place to turn the economy around? Oh, right...there are none. Can you share with us all of the policies that Barry has put in place that create jobs? Oh, right...there are none...except hiring a bunch of temps for the census, of course. During the campaign Barry claimed to have the answers to turn the economy around...oops...lied. Barry said there would be no earmarks...oops...lied. Barry was going to go line by line...er...nope...Barry hasn't even read, let alone "line-itemed" any bill...oops...lied. Wow...Barry has been just craptastic for the country so far.

>>> And you are far off in stating "Barry has spent three times, in one year, what Bush spent in eight." In fact, Bush roughly doubled our debt, adding in 8 years 6 trillion dollars worth of debt equal to the roughly 6 trillion that over 200 years worth of Presidents spent before him. So far, Obama has added less than 2 trillion to get us out of the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.

Sorry, but I don't live in liberal fantasyland...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aYgo3fufKIbI

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bush-deficit-vs-obama-deficit-in-pictures/

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/54400

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Obamas-trillions-dwarf-Bushs-dangerous-spending.html

>>> Particularly in view of the facts, I am afraid that this exchange does not enhance your credibility:

"Credibility?"...ROFL!!! Sorry...that just made me laugh. I guess someone's "crediblity" varies in relation to how much kool-aid one has consumed.

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Registered: 12-15-2009
Tue, 04-20-2010 - 2:54am
OVER 10,000 AMERICANS JOIN LAWSUIT AGAINST OBAMACARE
PRWeb ^ | April 19, 2010 | .

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In a new twist on lawsuits against Obamacare, TN attorney Van Irion filed a national class action in Federal court. The suit challenges Obamacare on the basis that Congress is not authorized by the Constitution to regulate health care. Mr. Irion is asking the courts to re-evaluate the Commerce clause precedent, arguing that current precedent in effect destroys the intent of the Constitution and specifically the 10th Amendment.

(PRWEB) April 19, 2010 -- Over 10,000 Americans have joined a lawsuit against Obamacare (http://obamacareclassaction.com). In a new twist on lawsuits against Obamacare, TN constitutional attorney and congressional candidate (http://www.van4congress.org/) Van Irion filed what is shaping up to be a national class action in Federal court April 8th. The suit challenges the constitutionality of Obamacare on the basis that Congress is not authorized by the Constitution to regulate health care. Mr. Irion is asking the courts to re-evaluate the legal precedent related to the Commerce clause, arguing that current precedent in effect destroys the intent of the Constitution and specifically the 10th Amendment.


The lawsuit is a unique take on legal actions against the recently passed Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. It is the first suit that allows any US citizen to join as a plaintiff and is the only suit to directly attack the legal precedent of the Commerce clause and therefore the Constitutionality of Obamacare. Greta Van Susteren, who has been following lawsuits related to Health Care Reform on her show “On the Record with Greta Van Susteren (http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/)”, will interview Van Irion this week during the 10pm time slot.



“The lawsuit quickly became so popular among grassroots movements, that we set up a website to take plaintiff information and allow people to follow the progress of the case,” said Irion, The site name is Obamacare Class Action, or “OCA”, and can be found at http://www.obamacareclassaction.com. The form that captures the necessary information asks for name, address and email address. Phone number and company name is optional, but gives US companies the option of signing on as a corporate plaintiff. “Once the complaint is amended to include all the plaintiffs that have signed on, each name will be listed,” said Irion. “At that point, we expect to have tens of thousands of plaintiffs.”


Since filing suit on April 8th, the site has added 1,000 plaintiffs (http://obamacareclassaction.com/join.php) a day on average, although Irion says that rate is increasing as more people hear about the opportunity to join. “This is truly the ‘People’s Suit’. It is their name on the complaint, versus the President, Pelosi, Reid and the U.S., saying that the Obamacare legislation is wrong. It is unconstitutional and must be overturned. The chance to take this to court with a team of constitutional attorneys making the points they have been shouting for over a year is something Americans have been looking for,” said Irion. "I am one of those that have been pointing out the unconstitutionality of Obamacare and am thrilled to have the opportunity to take on this fight.”


The complaint was filed in Federal Court, Eastern District of Tennessee, Chattanooga, case file number 1:10cv-71. For more information about Van Irion, visit Van4Congress (http://www.van4congress.org/) or Law Office of Van R Irion PLLC (http://www.irionlaw.com/).

iVillage Member
Registered: 02-14-2010
Tue, 04-20-2010 - 8:09am

"Look at how this debt level relative to GDP goes down under Democrats (after they deal with the Republican fallout)"


Or, it could be conservatives cleaning up the mess of liberals while liberal presidents benefit from the improved policies and start tanking things again. Considering many policies which infulence the economy the most can take a decade or so to be seen in the economy, how do you expect to be taken seriously?


Do you think industry just packed up and left the day after unions got more rights than people? That employers left the day after Social InSecurity got passed? Na, liberalism is a slow but long-acting poison, while the cure (trickle down economics) also takes time to work. Tax rlief policy can take ten years before we see the first significant signs of improvement. But you won't hear a liberal admit to these well-known facts.


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Registered: 01-24-2010
Wed, 04-21-2010 - 11:16pm

" then skip the gross stats and offer specifics...like what was the spending for and the relationship to taxes. From what you've shown, I can see nothing to dispel the Democrat "tax and spend" moniker...and Obama has only proven it exponentially."

Huh?

I have a question for you.

How do you think we are going to pay back all the debt that Republicans rang up much faster than our economy grew?

Tooth fairy?

Seriously, how are we going to pay it back?

Hint: the thing you love to accuse Democrats of imposing. Yes, it begins with a capital T.

Republicans spend at exactly the same rate as Democrats, only they make us pay not only taxes, but taxes with interest, and in the process smash our fiscal stability so when a financial disaster results from their big partying ways our government is weakened and the same spendthrift Republicans, now out of power, can all of a sudden claim to have fiscal religion and scream for fiscally responsible government.

That's the truth my friend.

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Registered: 02-01-2010
Thu, 04-22-2010 - 7:59pm

<< "then skip the gross stats and offer specifics...like what was the spending for and the relationship to taxes. From what you've shown, I can see nothing to dispel the Democrat "tax and spend" moniker...and Obama has only proven it exponentially."

>>> Huh?

I'm sorry, I should have gone slower...I was speaking about something called context...for instance, the libs whine and whine about "Bush spending"...yet fail to note that all of that spending had bi-partisan support and many, many billions were spent on issues of national security and national wars, not pork and socialist policies like the Obama Regime. Bush also managed to spend, spend, spend but still kept taxes low and the economy growing...again, unlike Barry's regime.

>>> I have a question for you. How do you think we are going to pay back all the debt that Republicans rang up much faster than our economy grew? Tooth fairy? Seriously, how are we going to pay it back?

Well, we could have started with the $700 BILLION that the Dems wasted on their porkulus package...then there are the BILLIONS and BILLIONS more that Barry spent to buy control over private businesses and the BILLIONS and BILLIONS more the Regime is spending on it's socialist agenda.

>>> Hint: the thing you love to accuse Democrats of imposing. Yes, it begins with a capital T.

Really? Well, I guess you can speculate about what the Republicans MIGHT do...but we already KNOW what the Dems will do.

>>> Republicans spend at exactly the same rate as Democrats,

Actually, no...but when Republicans do spend it tends to be on things like national defense, while Dems bankrupt the country trying to turn it into more of a welfare state. Sadly, it's like a drug and getting people hooked is the only way Dems think they can get votes.

>>> only they make us pay not only taxes, but taxes with interest, and in the process smash our fiscal stability

ROFL!!! Sorry, but coming from a liberal Obama supporter that just struck me as funny...and hypocritical.

>>> so when a financial disaster results from their big partying ways our government is weakened and the same spendthrift Republicans, now out of power, can all of a sudden claim to have fiscal religion and scream for fiscally responsible government.

Sorry, but your info from the far, far left newsletter was incorrect. It was Dem social engineering policies, not "Republican big partying," that caused the economy to collapse...and it's the idiot Dems spend, spend, spend, pork, pork, pork that's keeping the economy bogged down.

That's the truth my friend.

iVillage Member
Registered: 02-14-2010
Thu, 04-22-2010 - 10:27pm

As always, liberals refuse to look at the fallout of thei crappy legislation.


Did the numbers you use

iVillage Member
Registered: 01-24-2010
Fri, 04-23-2010 - 9:06pm

Long post. You have no answer to this unavoidable, sad fact:

"Republicans spend at exactly the same rate as Democrats, only they make us pay not only taxes, but taxes with interest, and in the process smash our fiscal stability so when a financial disaster results from their big partying ways our government is weakened and the same spendthrift Republicans, now out of power, can all of a sudden claim to have fiscal religion and scream for fiscally responsible government.

That's the truth my friend."

And to what $700 billion dollar are you referring. If you mean the bank bailout - guess who created that? Hint: not a Democrat. Another hint: middle initial comes after the letter V.

And if you mean Obama's fiscal stimulus, about a third of that was a tax cut for ordinary Americans. I am surprised that you are bashing Obama for a tax cut. On second thought, I am not surprised. You don't seem to care about the merits of Obama's policies, only about bashing him. Such a reflexive position not based on reason, but rather on hatred, does not have good odds for success.

iVillage Member
Registered: 02-14-2010
Fri, 04-23-2010 - 10:37pm

"And to what $700 billion dollar are you referring. If you mean the bank bailout - guess who created that? Hint: not a Democrat. "


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Registered: 02-01-2010
Fri, 04-23-2010 - 11:56pm

>>> Long post.

Lotsa reality.

>>> You have no answer to this unavoidable, sad fact: "Republicans spend at...blah, blah, blah...That's the truth my friend."

Actually, I did answer that bit of propaganda...at length.

>>> And to what $700 billion dollar are you referring. If you mean the bank bailout - guess who created that? Hint: not a Democrat. Another hint: middle initial comes after the letter V.

Nope...sorry, but no. Although Paulson was culpable, and GW signed off because he was a lame duck and everyone was saying "the sky is falling"...the spending was driven by Democrats...even to the point that they kept the House Republicans out of the room. They also pushed the billions in the porkulus bill and all of the gross spending that's been going on ever since.

>>> And if you mean Obama's fiscal stimulus

"Stimulus"...ROFL!!! That was a good one.

>>> about a third of that was a tax cut for ordinary Americans.

Yeah, quite the party folks could have with that $50 bucks a month. Weren't Biden and Barry out on the stump saying people could "buy computers" and "help put their kids through college?" LOL! I'm gonna get me a $50 COM-pew-tar and send mah kids to col-age. And it was an especially nice "tax cut" for the folks who didn't actually pay any taxes. Gotta love Obamath.

>>> I am surprised that you are bashing Obama for a tax cut.

"Tax cut"...too funny!

>>> On second thought, I am not surprised. You don't seem to care about the merits of Obama's policies, only about bashing him.

Sorry, but not being a socialist or in need of welfare, I can't see the merits of Obama's policies.

>>> Such a reflexive position not based on reason, but rather on hatred, does not have good odds for success.

Well, you might be right...my hatred for the neophyte is building with each one of his monumental failures, ideological leaps and displays of sheer, unmitigated arrogance...just like it is with the rest of the country. But no, it's not reflexive, it's based mounds and mounds of evidence...evidence that Barry is a socialist moron and that while, inevitably short-lived, his regime is driving this country to ruin.