Another Bogus Conservative "Contract"

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Registered: 01-24-2010
Another Bogus Conservative "Contract"
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Fri, 04-16-2010 - 10:57pm

How dumb do conservatives think America is?

Remember their famous Contract with America whose promises swept them into power in 1994? They promised, among others, fiscal responsibility and personal responsibility. Within a decade we had a Republican Congress rubber stamping Bush's outrageous deficit spending during a period of economic expansion when we should have been saving like we did under Bill Clinton. And we had Jack Abramoff and a web of Republican corruption in Congress. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract_with_America#Content_of_the_Contract In other words, we have a materially breached contract with massive damages to America and no remedy or accountability by Republicans.

Now, after only about a year since Bush and three years since our last Republican majority of wastrels in Congress, we have the "Contract from America" which promises, among others, more fiscal responsibility, balanced budgets, and ending "runaway government spending" and stopping the "pork", i.e. corruption, in Congress. http://www.thecontract.org/ In other words, we have a good case for fraud in the inducement.

This Contract from America is clearly aimed at people who are, to put it as gently as I can, gullible.

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Registered: 02-14-2010
Sun, 04-25-2010 - 3:52pm

So, you're complaining about that $500 billion but have nothing to say about the failed Social InSecurity program which is in debt $50 Trillion. Which, comparatively speaking is a drop in the bucket.


We could through in other liberal failures such as the war on poverty and going 'green', but I'm curious... Why do you despise drug coverage so much?


Don't you think Social InSecurity should cover granny's meds too? What's the point of haveing health coverage that iagnoses a health condition, but refuses to cover the treatment?


Don't get me wrong, Social InSecurity is and always has been a boodoggle ponzi scheme, but if you support such boondoggle pnzi schemes I have to wonder why you'r support therest of it but dra the line at prescription meds.


iVillage Member
Registered: 01-24-2010
Sun, 04-25-2010 - 2:49pm

Correction, 1/2 a trillion dollars, or over $500 billion dollars, is the amount you say is a drop in the bucket.

And pretty much everything you say is entirely inconsistent with your view of Republicans like big spending Presidents Bush and Reagan.

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Registered: 02-14-2010
Sun, 04-25-2010 - 11:40am

"What's wrong with a tax cut for hundreds of billions?"


You do know what is meant when someone mentions the tax base right? And how dangerous having a norrow tax base is right?


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Registered: 02-01-2010
Sat, 04-24-2010 - 7:18pm

"Yeah, quite the party folks could have with that $50 bucks a month."

>>> About a third of Obama's stimulus was tax cuts amounting to hundreds of billions of dollars. What's wrong with a tax cut for hundreds of billions? Why do you belittle that? This is very inconsistent with your view on taxes, and a strong indication that you don't care about the merits of whatever a Democratic or Republican President does.

Let's see...what could possibly be wrong with wasting money on...*cough* *cough*...stimulus checks that don't actually stimulate anything. Hmmm...maybe I just need to drink a little more kool-aid before jumping on the bandwagon...or maybe it's just that libs are so out of touch with reality that simple common sense escapes them.

Stimulus checks were a waste when Bush tried it and an even greater waste, compounded by stupidity, when Barry did it again. What was that definition of "insanity" again? Well, here's a little reality for you...$40 a month isn't squat...even to a "poor"person. It's enough to buy an extra McDonald's Big Mac meal, not a computer, or maybe pay the phone bill, not send your kid to college...as the dopey Joe and Barry show claimed. And it isn't "long term"...so no one is going to change their spending habits for this piddling uptick of cash...a few more credit cards were paid down...thanks so much. Plain and simple...a STUPID idea that yielded very predictable results...and "stimulated" the economy not a whit.

>>> You will reflexively always find fault with everything a Democratic President does and praise everything a Republican President does or find some excuse to blame it on the Democrats if you don't like it.

Nah, it only seems that way because Democrats are so predictably stupid and their policies are so utterly ridiculous. Hey, I've got a great idea!...let's tax the crap out of energy companies and make everyone's energy bills "skyrocket" in a recession! Wow! Good thinking! That'll sure stimulate the economy and create jobs! No...wait! I've got a better plan! Now that we're all hoarse from complaining about "Bush spending"...that we all supported, ya know! ; ) ...let's really bankrupt the country and spend 3 TRILLION borrowed dollars on socialized medicine that's proved to be a failure every place it's been tried! Wow! Good thinking! That'll sure stimulate the economy and create jobs! Ya know, maybe you're right...maybe I have been too hard on Democrat ideas...um...er...nope...sorry, but they're just as stupid and corrupt as I thought they were. Oh, well.

>>> You sound a lot like the other right winger on this board who are backpeddling and minimizing the over $500 trillion dollars that W. blew on a totally unfunded Medicare prescription drug measure that did nothing to advance healthcare reform but a ton to promote our drug companies. He called that one a "drop in the bucket."

Are you referring to the same Medicare drug program that was passed with BIPARTISAN support in both the House and Senate? And "blew?" Only if you consider helping seniors get the affordable medications they need "blowing" it...which is kind of funny coming from a liberal. Still, I always support funding a program before implementing it.

>>> I would feel a lot better debating with people who were consistent in their principles.

You'd have to point out an inconsistency for your comment to be consistent. LOL!

>>> The political positions of Republicans today are rooted in nothing but hatred for Democrats, fomented by Fox.

Actually, the ire is fomented by the stupid, destructive and socialist nature of the Dems policies.

iVillage Member
Registered: 01-24-2010
Sat, 04-24-2010 - 1:20pm

"Yeah, quite the party folks could have with that $50 bucks a month."

About a third of Obama's stimulus was tax cuts amounting to hundreds of billions of dollars.

What's wrong with a tax cut for hundreds of billions? Why do you belittle that? This is very inconsistent with your view on taxes, and a strong indication that you don't care about the merits of whatever a Democratic or Republican President does.

You will reflexively always find fault with everything a Democratic President does and praise everything a Republican President does or find some excuse to blame it on the Democrats if you don't like it.

You sound a lot like the other right winger on this board who are backpeddling and minimizing the over $500 trillion dollars that W. blew on a totally unfunded Medicare prescription drug measure that did nothing to advance healthcare reform but a ton to promote our drug companies. He called that one a "drop in the bucket."

I would feel a lot better debating with people who were consistent in their principles.

The political positions of Republicans today are rooted in nothing but hatred for Democrats, fomented by Fox.

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Registered: 02-01-2010
Fri, 04-23-2010 - 11:56pm

>>> Long post.

Lotsa reality.

>>> You have no answer to this unavoidable, sad fact: "Republicans spend at...blah, blah, blah...That's the truth my friend."

Actually, I did answer that bit of propaganda...at length.

>>> And to what $700 billion dollar are you referring. If you mean the bank bailout - guess who created that? Hint: not a Democrat. Another hint: middle initial comes after the letter V.

Nope...sorry, but no. Although Paulson was culpable, and GW signed off because he was a lame duck and everyone was saying "the sky is falling"...the spending was driven by Democrats...even to the point that they kept the House Republicans out of the room. They also pushed the billions in the porkulus bill and all of the gross spending that's been going on ever since.

>>> And if you mean Obama's fiscal stimulus

"Stimulus"...ROFL!!! That was a good one.

>>> about a third of that was a tax cut for ordinary Americans.

Yeah, quite the party folks could have with that $50 bucks a month. Weren't Biden and Barry out on the stump saying people could "buy computers" and "help put their kids through college?" LOL! I'm gonna get me a $50 COM-pew-tar and send mah kids to col-age. And it was an especially nice "tax cut" for the folks who didn't actually pay any taxes. Gotta love Obamath.

>>> I am surprised that you are bashing Obama for a tax cut.

"Tax cut"...too funny!

>>> On second thought, I am not surprised. You don't seem to care about the merits of Obama's policies, only about bashing him.

Sorry, but not being a socialist or in need of welfare, I can't see the merits of Obama's policies.

>>> Such a reflexive position not based on reason, but rather on hatred, does not have good odds for success.

Well, you might be right...my hatred for the neophyte is building with each one of his monumental failures, ideological leaps and displays of sheer, unmitigated arrogance...just like it is with the rest of the country. But no, it's not reflexive, it's based mounds and mounds of evidence...evidence that Barry is a socialist moron and that while, inevitably short-lived, his regime is driving this country to ruin.

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Registered: 02-14-2010
Fri, 04-23-2010 - 10:37pm

"And to what $700 billion dollar are you referring. If you mean the bank bailout - guess who created that? Hint: not a Democrat. "


iVillage Member
Registered: 01-24-2010
Fri, 04-23-2010 - 9:06pm

Long post. You have no answer to this unavoidable, sad fact:

"Republicans spend at exactly the same rate as Democrats, only they make us pay not only taxes, but taxes with interest, and in the process smash our fiscal stability so when a financial disaster results from their big partying ways our government is weakened and the same spendthrift Republicans, now out of power, can all of a sudden claim to have fiscal religion and scream for fiscally responsible government.

That's the truth my friend."

And to what $700 billion dollar are you referring. If you mean the bank bailout - guess who created that? Hint: not a Democrat. Another hint: middle initial comes after the letter V.

And if you mean Obama's fiscal stimulus, about a third of that was a tax cut for ordinary Americans. I am surprised that you are bashing Obama for a tax cut. On second thought, I am not surprised. You don't seem to care about the merits of Obama's policies, only about bashing him. Such a reflexive position not based on reason, but rather on hatred, does not have good odds for success.

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Registered: 02-14-2010
Thu, 04-22-2010 - 10:27pm

As always, liberals refuse to look at the fallout of thei crappy legislation.


Did the numbers you use

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Registered: 02-01-2010
Thu, 04-22-2010 - 7:59pm

<< "then skip the gross stats and offer specifics...like what was the spending for and the relationship to taxes. From what you've shown, I can see nothing to dispel the Democrat "tax and spend" moniker...and Obama has only proven it exponentially."

>>> Huh?

I'm sorry, I should have gone slower...I was speaking about something called context...for instance, the libs whine and whine about "Bush spending"...yet fail to note that all of that spending had bi-partisan support and many, many billions were spent on issues of national security and national wars, not pork and socialist policies like the Obama Regime. Bush also managed to spend, spend, spend but still kept taxes low and the economy growing...again, unlike Barry's regime.

>>> I have a question for you. How do you think we are going to pay back all the debt that Republicans rang up much faster than our economy grew? Tooth fairy? Seriously, how are we going to pay it back?

Well, we could have started with the $700 BILLION that the Dems wasted on their porkulus package...then there are the BILLIONS and BILLIONS more that Barry spent to buy control over private businesses and the BILLIONS and BILLIONS more the Regime is spending on it's socialist agenda.

>>> Hint: the thing you love to accuse Democrats of imposing. Yes, it begins with a capital T.

Really? Well, I guess you can speculate about what the Republicans MIGHT do...but we already KNOW what the Dems will do.

>>> Republicans spend at exactly the same rate as Democrats,

Actually, no...but when Republicans do spend it tends to be on things like national defense, while Dems bankrupt the country trying to turn it into more of a welfare state. Sadly, it's like a drug and getting people hooked is the only way Dems think they can get votes.

>>> only they make us pay not only taxes, but taxes with interest, and in the process smash our fiscal stability

ROFL!!! Sorry, but coming from a liberal Obama supporter that just struck me as funny...and hypocritical.

>>> so when a financial disaster results from their big partying ways our government is weakened and the same spendthrift Republicans, now out of power, can all of a sudden claim to have fiscal religion and scream for fiscally responsible government.

Sorry, but your info from the far, far left newsletter was incorrect. It was Dem social engineering policies, not "Republican big partying," that caused the economy to collapse...and it's the idiot Dems spend, spend, spend, pork, pork, pork that's keeping the economy bogged down.

That's the truth my friend.

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