AZ Illegal-Immigrant Law Draws Strong /m

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AZ Illegal-Immigrant Law Draws Strong /m
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Sun, 04-18-2010 - 3:45am
Arizona Illegal-Immigrant Law Draws Strong Opposition
By KEVIN O'LEARY Kevin O'leary Sun

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Registered: 02-14-2010
Sun, 04-18-2010 - 12:41pm

I do have issues with them requiring people to carry ID at all times.


I'm sure the left will use that as a weapon against this legislation and claim how 'extreme' the right is. The unfortunate truth is this extreme type of legislation is more or less about our only option because the left has and will fight any law that helps the cops to enforce the laws on the books.

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Registered: 09-30-2009
Mon, 04-19-2010 - 12:42am

Overhere, in this supposedly socialist country , everyone over 14 is supposed to carry

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Registered: 10-25-2006
Mon, 04-19-2010 - 1:31pm

I don't blame Arizonans for being impatient with Washington when it comes to controlling illegal immigration. I'd probably feel the same way if I were living there, especially when crime spills across the border. Having law enforcement officers go to employers to find illegal immigrants makes more sense to me than stopping people on the street and requesting ID. Unless traveling outside the DC metro area, I often go out without any ID, carrying only my cell phone and some cash or a credit card.

Unless the authorities could prove that they selected people randomly, any requests to see ID would clearly be racial profiling. Somewhere I read that one country (India maybe?) is working toward developing an iris scan database to include every citizen's scan. To me that would be preferable to having to carry a piece of ID with me all the time.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQTBYQlQ7yM

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Tue, 04-20-2010 - 2:01am

"I don't blame Arizonans for being impatient with Washington when it comes to controlling illegal immigration. I'd probably feel the same way if I were living there, especially when crime spills across the border."


What exactly is Washington waiting for?


"Having law enforcement officers go to employers to find illegal immigrants makes more sense to me than stopping people on the street and requesting ID."


Yes. I think it could be a good place to start, seeing that most come to the US to find work.


"Unless traveling outside the DC metro area, I often go out without any ID, carrying only my cell phone and some cash or a credit card."


But...an ID is the same size as a credit card....


"Unless the authorities could prove that they selected people randomly, any requests to see ID would clearly be racial profiling."


Could you explain why?

I'm sure that Mexicans who are in AZ legally (I've met a few when I was there), and everyone is told to carry ID, have little problem showing it, as long as it's clear what the purpose is: "fighting illegal border crossings".


How would you propose to solve the problem of illegals crossing the border?


"Somewhere I read that one country (India maybe?) is working toward developing an iris scan database to include every citizen's scan. To me that would be preferable to having to carry a piece of ID with me all the time."


How do you imagine checking an iris scan to be less "intrusive" than just showing your ID card?

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Registered: 02-14-2010
Tue, 04-20-2010 - 7:42am
Is there a fine or penalty of some sort if someone has proper I but fails to have on their person?


Edited 4/20/2010 8:27 am ET by the_green_police
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Registered: 10-25-2006
Tue, 04-20-2010 - 8:39am

I'm not opposed to carrying ID because card-checking is intrusive, but because it's one more thing to worry about, and to lose. Irises are less easily lost;).

And yes, an ID card is the same size as a credit card, but if it's lost I bet it would take more than a phone call to replace it.

Why would it be racial profiling? Well, do you honestly think they'd check whites as often as non-whites? Should a U.S. citizen of Mexican origin, whose family members were U.S. citizens for six generations like mine, be subjected to card checking while I am not? But it surely would happen because we whites, who have so much more clout (and often money) would get too p-o'd if they started arresting us for not carrying ID--bad PR and lawsuits would follow.

DH is already subjected to it after 9/11, almost every time he travels. He could pass for Mexican, South American, Native American, Black, South Asian or Mideastern. If you're white, you might not notice the racial profiling that's going on every single day, and maybe it's not as prevalent in the Netherlands as it is here in the U.S.

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http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/october/meet_the_new_health_.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQTBYQlQ7yM

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Registered: 09-30-2009
Tue, 04-20-2010 - 2:26pm
"Is there a fine or penalty of some sort if someone has proper I but fails to have on their person?"

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Registered: 02-14-2010
Tue, 04-20-2010 - 3:42pm

"Why would it be racial profiling? Well, do you honestly think they'd check whites as often as non-whites?"


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Registered: 09-30-2009
Tue, 04-20-2010 - 6:02pm

"I'm not opposed to carrying ID because card-checking is intrusive, but because it's one more thing to worry about, and to lose.And yes, an ID card is the same size as a credit card, but if it's lost I bet it would take more than a phone call to replace it."


I carry a clear

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Registered: 10-28-2009
Tue, 04-20-2010 - 6:11pm

I think the problem with this new Arizona law is it fits right in with what Sheriff Joe Arpaio has been doing...rounding up people he suspects are illegal aliens and detaining them for hours while attempting to sort out who is illegal and who is not. That is clearly unconstitutional.

I think that if we actually enacted some sort of ID that required proof of citizenship (like Real ID), something that is pretty much forgery proof, and then required that ID in order to live in the U.S. (for things like banking, renting or buying a home or apartment, getting a job, getting utilities), it would make it very, very difficult for illegal aliens to survive in the U.S. Unfortunately, that's running into lots of opposition as being unconstitutional.

It seems to me that the problem of illegal aliens is going to require the giving up of some "right" on the part of U.S. citizens as I just don't see how the problem can be solved otherwise. We can't just target people based on their skin color and keep asking them to show proof they are citizens).

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