Obama's Community

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Mon, 04-26-2010 - 2:28pm

Is this not the community Obama organized??


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/25/AR2010042503518.html


Looks like it is almost safer in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Registered: 01-02-2010
Mon, 04-26-2010 - 7:52pm
*LOL* it sure does seem safer! or the scarey thing is, if this is the area he "helped" organize, what is our country going to be like as a whole. will we see violence becoming more rampant? time for a trip to bass pro!!
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Registered: 09-07-2009
Mon, 04-26-2010 - 9:36pm
I am not sure how responsible for the violence is for Obama but this is scary, I used to love Chicago but won't go visit it at all.
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Registered: 03-30-2007
Tue, 04-27-2010 - 6:28pm

My oldest son started HS in the late 80's. There were gangs here. There were also a lot of gangs in Columbus. Detroit is less than 200 miles away. There's been gangs there for ever. Oh, but people are just noticing them now that Obama is President.

Chicago has had gangs forever!!!!!

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Registered: 11-27-2009
Tue, 04-27-2010 - 7:11pm

The problem in Chicago isn't that gangs are just being noticed since Obama became President. The problem in Chicago is that the gangs are becoming more and more violent and despite a handgun ban in Chicago gangs are having no problems obtaining them.
This is just one warm night this year in Chicago.

Chicago Murders - Chicago Shootings 2010: 7 Dead, 12 Wounded Overnight In The Windy City!
April 16, 2010 02:30 PM EDT
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Chicago Murders - Chicago Shootings 2010: 7 Dead, 12 Wounded Overnight In The Windy City

A violent 12-hour period overnight in Chicago left seven people dead and a dozen wounded by gunfire, according to the Chicago Sun-Times.

From about 4:40 p.m. Thursday until 3:10 a.m. Friday, there were multiple reports of shootings occurring throughout the Windy City, the Times reports.

Based on the Sun-Times report, here is a complete breakdown of the times, locations and what happened to each of the victims:

Thursday, April 15

• 4:40 p.m.: Anthony Lopez, 22, was shot in the chest at 1700 W. Cullerton St. and later pronounced dead at John H. Stroger, Jr. Hospital of Cook County.

• 5:32 p.m.: An unidentified person was shot in the neck in the Southwest Side Marquette Park neighborhood.

• 5:57 p.m.: Bernard Hatcher, 30, was shot in the 7800 block of South Maryland Avenue and pronounced dead about an hour later.

• 6:08 p.m.: Two people sustained non-life-threatening injuries after being shot while walking on the 2500 block of East 93rd Street. One was shot in the leg and the other in the arm, but both were treated and in good condition at Advocate Trinity Hospital.

• 6:27 p.m.: Two people were shot in the 2700 block of West 66th. The offender walked up to one of the victims and shot them in the shoulder, while the second person was in a nearby garage when they hear gunfire and then realized they'd been struck by a bullet. Both were taken to area hospitals, but their conditions weren't updated.

• 7:25 p.m.: A 16-and-17-year-old boys playing basketball at Nat King Cole Park at 361 E. 85th St. were shot by a suspect traveling in a red pickup truck. The younger boy was in stable condition after being struck in the hip by gunfire, while the other was in critical condition.

• 7:33 p.m.: A victim was shot in the leg in the 500 block of East 88th Street.

• 8 p.m.: A 28-year-old woman was shot near East 84th Street and South Colfax Avenue, and was taken to Northwestern Memorial Hospital in good condition.

• 10:25 p.m.: Anthony Williams, 29, was shot at 7042 S. St. Lawence Ave. and pronounced dead at Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn less than an hour later.

• 11 p.m.: Deandre Morgan, 18, was killed in a drive-by shooting in the 900 block of West 53rd Street. She was pronounced dead at 11:44 p.m. at Stroger Hospital.

• 11:17 p.m.: Ramone Cook, 19, was shot in the 870 block of South Ada Street and later pronounced dead at Little Company of Mary Hospital and Health Care Centers in Evergreen Park.

• Midnight: Kristle Jackson, 23, was shot and killed at 35 E. 58th St., while a 32-year-old man was in critical condition after being shot in both legs. A separate shooting left another man in critical condition after he was hit in the neck and legs.

Friday, April 16

• 1:50 a.m.: A 36-year-old man sustained non-life-threatening injuries after being shot in his parked car at 4840 W. Hirsch St. in the West Side Austin area.

• 3:10 a.m.: Roger Walker was shot and killed in the 14000 block of West 110th Street.

As of 9 a.m. Friday, no arrests have been made following the rash of shootings, the Times reports. Several police departments are handling the investigations, including Calumet, Harrison, Grand Central Area and Wentworth, the newspaper reported.

My evaluation:

How awful it is to read about such violence that, in all likelihood, involves gang members cruising the streets of Chicago at night. I feel terrible for the families who lost loved ones to such nonsensical violence. The Windy City should be a vibrant place to live, but there is a criminal element in sections that tarnishes its reputation and keeps visitors from actually moving into the area. Hopefully one day the streets will be rid of these scumbags, but I won't hold my breath.

*Photo by Chicago Sun-Times.
http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978177572

It's to the point where it's a risky endeavor to go to the Taste of Chicago. Two years ago my dd went. She couldn't wait to leave. The gang presence was palpable. I don't know that the Illinois Guard is the answer, but something has to be done about the gangs. They have rapidly moved out from the city to the point where it's impossible to live in a suburb of Chicago and not have gangs and for the collar counties, I'm guessing its only the furthest still rural farming areas that have little to no gang influences.

Violence At Chicago' s Largest Outdoor Festival - Are Police To Blame ?
Gang violence marred the City Of Chicago's July 3rd fireworks celebration, attended by 1.2 million people, in downtown Grant Park, as roving groups of gangbangers fought each other and harrassed innocent bystanders. On a downtown street a few short blocks from Grant Park, three people were gunned down in a gang related shooting, one fatally, as horified fest goers were trying to board subways and buses to exit the vicinity after the fireworks. People now question the police response, but where is the condemnation of the culture that spawns the nilhilistic anti-social violence of the modern urban street gang?

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"Can you see the police stopping every person coming down who looks like a gang-banger?" Mayor Daley said Tuesday, denying the shootings have tarnished his dream of hosting the Olympics.

Police who were at the Taste as the crowd left Thursday night said they did not have any problems recognizing trouble-making gang members. The problem was in removing them because of the lack of wagons, sources said.

Sources also said Police Superintendent Jody Weis broke tradition by turning to administrative lieutenants to supervise the crowds leaving the fireworks. Normally, the job is done by tactical lieutenants experienced in dealing with gang members and crowd control, the sources said.

The department, though, said the supervisors on duty that night were "seasoned" and have "successfully handled the event over the years without incident."

One sergeant on the street that night said the crowd exited the fireworks event more slowly than usual. The result: a persistent presence of roving packs of gang members flashing gang signs, scuffling with each other and harassing Taste-goers.

"It was by far the worst 3rd of July I've ever seen," he said.

Total attendance at the Taste on July 3 was estimated at 1.2 million. http://johnrussell.newsvine.com/_news/2008/07/09/1651185-violence-at-chicago-s-largest-outdoor-festival-are-police-to-blame-

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Registered: 01-02-2010
Tue, 04-27-2010 - 8:34pm
sometimes it takes some people longer to learn a lesson. Obviously with Chicago the lesson hasn't been learned yet and they will keep electing those that bring and promote this sort of injustice. maybe eventually they will open their eyes. i just pray that the rest of America isn't as stupid as those that vote around Chicago....
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Registered: 10-25-2006
Tue, 04-27-2010 - 8:38pm

Well, duh! All the Chicagoans need to do is make sure everyone has a gun and the violence will stop:

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=thDxIEe-MoPqJBVRepn5-2w&output=html

Oh, wait a minute. It looks like everyone in Chicago already HAS a gun. Maybe Daley is right--they need stricter gun laws and enforcement of them.

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http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/october/meet_the_new_health_.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQTBYQlQ7yM

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Registered: 11-27-2009
Tue, 04-27-2010 - 8:40pm
when you look at the voting record of Chicagoans, I'm not confident anything will change.
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Registered: 01-02-2010
Tue, 04-27-2010 - 8:48pm
of course, because it is guns that kill, not people. ask england, since they outlawed guns, there is now no violence.
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Registered: 11-27-2009
Tue, 04-27-2010 - 8:54pm

You might want to get past the rhetoric to really grasp what the issue is in Chicago and other cities. Daley talks of stricter gun laws, who abides by them? Not the criminals. What they need to stop harnessing the police from doing their job in the name of being 'pc' and go after the gang bangers and other criminals.
The gun violence issue in Chicago isn't due to otherwise law abiding citizens, it's not first offenders, it's kids and young adults with rap sheets that don't give a hoot if they are caught.

Chicago's pointless handgun ban
City gun ordinances proved to be a failure
March 04, 2010|By Steve Chapman

When Chicago passed a ban on handgun ownership in 1982, it was part of a trend. Washington, D.C., had done it in 1976, and a few Chicago suburbs took up the cause in the following years. They all expected to reduce the number of guns and thus curtail bloodshed.

District of Columbia Attorney General Linda Singer told The Washington Post in 2007, "It's a pretty common-sense idea that the more guns there are around, the more gun violence you'll have." Nadine Winters, a member of the Washington City Council in 1976, said she assumed at the time that the policy "would spread to other places."

But the fad never really caught fire — even before last summer, when the U.S. Supreme Court struck down the D.C. law and cast doubt on the others, including the Chicago ordinance before the court Tuesday. The Second Amendment may kill such restrictions, but in most places, it wasn't needed to keep them from hatching in the first place.

Maybe that's because there were so many flaws in the basic idea. Or maybe it was because strict gun control makes even less sense at the municipal level than it does on a broader scale. At any rate, the policy turned out to be a comprehensive dud.

In the years following its ban, Washington did not generate a decline in gun murders. In fact, the number of killings rose by 156 percent — at a time when murders nationally increased by just 32 percent. For a while, the city vied regularly for the title of murder capital of America.

Chicago followed a similar course. In the decade after it outlawed handguns, murders jumped by 41 percent, compared with an 18 percent rise in the entire United States.

One problem is that the bans didn't actually have any discernible effect on the availability of guns to people with felonious intent. As with drugs and hookers, when there is a demand for guns, there will always be a supply.

Who places the highest value on owning a firearm? Criminals. Who is least likely to fear being prosecuted for violating the law? Criminals. Who is most likely to have access to illicit dealers? You guessed it.

If we were starting out in a country with zero guns, it might be possible to keep such weapons away from bad guys. But that's not this country, which has more than 200 million firearms in private hands and a large, perpetual supply of legal handguns.
Only a tiny percentage of those weapons has to be diverted to the underground trade for crooks to acquire all the firepower they need. While gun bans greatly impede the law-abiding, they pose only a trivial inconvenience to the lawless.

This is especially true at the local level. Banning guns from one city makes about as much sense as banning them on one block.

It's hard enough to halt the flow of guns over international borders, where governments police traffic. It's impossible to stop them from crossing municipal boundaries — which are unmonitored, undefended and practically invisible.

Tens of thousands of cars enter Washington and Chicago each day from places where guns are easily and legally obtainable. Any of those vehicles could be transporting a carton of pistols to sell to willing thugs. If you're on an island, you're going to get splashed by the waves.

The proponents obviously knew all along this city-by-city approach had serious shortcomings. But they figured it was bound to curtail gun availability somewhat. They also hoped that by prohibiting handguns in one place, they were beginning a bigger process.

First, they expected that other cities and states would follow suit. Second, they wagered that strict controls at the local level would acclimate Americans to new regulations at the national level.

But things didn't work out that way. The persistence of crime in supposedly gun-free zones didn't build support for broader gun control by showing the limits of piecemeal legislation. It weakened the case, by proving that such regulations have little impact on the people who present the biggest danger. Instead of a broad upward avenue, it was a dead end.

Gun control supporters fear that if the Supreme Court invalidates local handgun bans, the consequences will be nothing but bad. That would be easier to believe if the laws had ever done any good.

Steve Chapman is a member of the Tribune's editorial board and blogs at chicagotribune.com/chapman

schapman@tribune.com
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-03-04/news/ct-oped-0304-chapman-20100304-column_1_legal-handguns-gun-violence-ban

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Registered: 11-27-2009
Tue, 04-27-2010 - 9:01pm

Just look at how effective the gun ban has been.

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