BIG GOVERNMENT - Looking Out For You

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BIG GOVERNMENT - Looking Out For You
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Thu, 05-06-2010 - 11:48am

Looks like Big Government is batting a thousand on "taking care of us", , ,social security, medicare, medicaid,

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Registered: 02-01-2010
Sun, 05-09-2010 - 6:36pm

"Yes...13 innocent people at Ft. Hood..."

>>> Now we are making progress. We agree the President is responsible for what happens on his watch.

No, I agree that the President is responsible for the fall out from his policies. Obama's attitudes towards Muslim extremism, his attacks on our military and intelligence agencies and his general weakening of our national security have played no small part in emboldening the terrorists and creating the circumstances under which the attacks occurred. Yes, Barry is to blame.

>>> Now, let's talk about 9/11 which happened in the Fall of Bush's first term. 3000 Americans died. There were warning signs all over the place, including a hand delivered message to President Bush himself. In response, the President took absolutely no action whatsoever. He did not even try.

LOL! Gotta love it when libs trot out the old tired talking points. Well, rather than pointing out, AGAIN, that there was no actionable intelligence available, I'll just ask you to support your own spurious argument. Please tell us exactly what Bush knew, when Bush knew it, and what action you feel he could have taken to prevent the 9/11 attacks. Please be specific.

>>> So, one year into Bush's first term 3000 Americans died due to incompetence.

True. Clinton had more than 8 opportunities to get Bin Laden and balked each time. It was the weakness Clinton showed in Somalia that originally inspired Bin Laden and it was Slick Willy's incompetence in fighting terrorism and striking their leaders when he had the opportunity that led directly to the 9/11 attacks.

>>> One year into President Obama's term 13 Americans died. That's over 230 times more death due to incompetence under Bush than under Obama.

I'm glad you admit that the Ft. Hood shooting occurred due to Obama's incompetence. The distinct difference is that Hasan was able to kill those people as a direct result of Obama's attitudes and policies towards Muslim extremism. Bush policies did nothing to contribute to the 9/11 attacks, but his specific policies prevented subsequent attacks for the ensuing 8 years...a record that clearly puts Obama to shame.

>>> Why aren't you 230 times more outraged at Bush than at Obama?

Because there was no actionable intelligence available to Bush prior to the 9/11 attacks...at least not until, as requested above, you show us what that actionable intelligence specifically was, and what Bush could have specifically done to prevent the attacks. I'm eager to hear your facts and arguments on the matter.

>>> In fact, it seems to me you are 230 times more outraged at Obama than at Bush. That is how much sense the Republicans make these days.

Right, we are "angrier" at Obama because, unlike Bush who did everything he could to strengthen our national security, Obama has done everything he can to weaken it.

>>> Republicans just had a terrible President and a terrible corrupt bunch of politicians in Congress with him, and they act like nothing happened or come up with contorted arguments that somehow something the Democrats did made it ok.

LOL! Gotta love the finger pointing about "corruption" when Barry's crew of socialists, tax cheats and general scum sucking weasels are clearly one of the most corrupt administrations in US history. It's also convenient that they ignore the FACT that the economy consistently grew under the auspices of President Bush, unemployment was at near record lows and our national security was strengthened...again, all unlike Barry.

>>> I am not saying this out of partisanship. I am saying this out of patriotism and wanting the best for America, for you, me and all other American citizens.

Sounds like it's out of ignorance of reality and history...or perhaps, hypocritical denial.

>>> Before I became disgusted with Republican politics, I was an independent who voted for Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan was a decent President on balance, even with the unprecedented well over 20 felony convicts in his Administration. Nixon was terrible, as was the last Bush President. Bush Snr. was pretty bad - he clearly put himself right in the middle of a felony in Iran Contra and then pardoned Cap and 5 others to make the trail to him go away. Lincoln was a great president. TR was very good. Ike was good. And as I said Reagan was decent.

Yay! At which point did the hypocrisy take over and make you gullible enough to vote for a guy with no experience, very questionable associations and a slogan as stupid as "hope and change?"

>>> Then there is the bad incompetent legacy of the Republican Presidency - the Bush's and those Republican Presidents in the runup to the Great Depression are quite similar in how incompetent and horrible they were.

Yeah, that whole growing economy-low unemployment-strong national security thing gets pretty tiring. LOL! Thank goodness we have the Democrats to turn all that around.

>>> That unfortunately is where the Republican Party is today. And instead of seeing themselves, Republicans are in denial and plow onward on a platform of pandering and demagoguery.

Yeah...to the applause and support of an ever-growing majority of the American people. See you in November...oops...no, we probably won't. ; )

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Registered: 02-14-2010
Sun, 05-09-2010 - 10:17pm

>>> Why aren't you 230 times more outraged at Bush than at Obama?


Because there was no actionable intelligence available to Bush prior to the 9/11 attacks...


iVillage Member
Registered: 02-01-2010
Mon, 05-10-2010 - 12:34am
Whenever you see a liberal hypocrisy is never far behind.
iVillage Member
Registered: 02-28-2010
Mon, 05-10-2010 - 9:59am

Because there was no actionable intelligence available to Bush prior to the 9/11 attacks...


You're kidding aren't you?

iVillage Member
Registered: 02-01-2010
Mon, 05-10-2010 - 12:39pm
And...um...where was the ACTIONABLE intelligence in that memo? Specifically, please. We'll wait.
iVillage Member
Registered: 02-28-2010
Mon, 05-10-2010 - 1:03pm

Why of course - going after Al Queda's money - but then that would have probably not been good for the Bush/Bin Laden family relationship.....


Most likely the same actionable intelligence that Condi was looking at regarding the "Mushroom Cloud....."

iVillage Member
Registered: 02-01-2010
Mon, 05-10-2010 - 2:10pm
So...um...you're saying that there was no actionable intelligence and that you can't back up your baseless allegations. Got it...pretty much as expected.
iVillage Member
Registered: 02-14-2010
Mon, 05-10-2010 - 3:30pm

So.... it's unconstitutional to ask someone to provide proof of their identity to make sure they are legally permitted to vote in this country, but Bush should've stopped everyone and frisked them based on that letter?

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Registered: 02-28-2010
Mon, 05-10-2010 - 3:44pm

Liberals are something special.


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Registered: 05-07-2010
Mon, 05-10-2010 - 5:02pm

LOL! What a ridiculous statement. It is obvious from that statement that you didn't even read SB 1070. You might want to educate yourself on the actual wording of the new law so you won't make mis-staements again.

In the unlikely event that you did read the bill, please provide a link that shows where the bill says that "Arizona gets to hire a bunch of people to go out and round up all the hispanic looking people they can find".

I am anxiously awaiting your response....with links please. TIA.

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