Tar balls and promises.....

iVillage Member
Registered: 09-30-2009
Tar balls and promises.....
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Sat, 05-29-2010 - 3:31am
Listening to the news here, I learned that as early as 2 weeks after the explosion, there have been Dutch specialized companies that have offered their expertise to

iVillage Member
Registered: 09-30-2009
Sun, 06-06-2010 - 4:30am

FTR, I don't care about 'the left' or 'the right'.


"Katrina was a natural disaster--no corporation was to blame and therefore the gov't had to step in. This one is very unnatural and with no gov't-owned drilling operations, the oil corps should know best how to solve the problem."


The larger disaster in NO was the levies breaking. Who was/is responsible for the maintenance?


On topic of this thread:


My understanding is that the US government has a responsibility in "OK-ing" security measures re any venture/rig in the Golf.


I do understand that the government will leave the responsibility for solving the "underwater-problems" up to the expertise of BP, and the owner of the rig.


I'm áll for investigating their respective roles/responsibilities.


WRT the results/effects on the surface and (now) shores.......Are you saying that the

iVillage Member
Registered: 02-01-2010
Sun, 06-06-2010 - 6:18am

>>> Really! It seems the conservatives here think that if the same accident had occurred on the watch of a corporate-loving Republican like Bush, the feds would have immediately rushed in to solve the mess created by the incompetent corporations.

Actually, besides the omnipotence and finger-0pointing of the Obamessiah, we still don't know the actual cause of the accident or who was to blame, so it's very "liberal" to demonize the corporations...but, based on past experience, what we do know is that Bush would not have waited weeks to visit the disaster area or to mobilize the government's resources to battle the growing problem.

>>> Katrina was a natural disaster--no corporation was to blame and therefore the gov't had to step in.

It's a matter of assessment and a direction of needed resources to solve the problem, not "natural vs man-made." In any large disaster, the government can play a vital role...it's just a shame that the role Obama has chosen to play is Finger-pointer-in-Chief, like the community organizer he is, instead of actually acting like a leader...but then, he really doesn't have any experience at that, now does he?

>>> This one is very unnatural and with no gov't-owned drilling operations, the oil corps should know best how to solve the problem.

I'm sure they have theories...but since nothing like this specific problem has occurred before, the oil companies really couldn't have much experience in dealing with is, could they? But since it was the government who approved the plans for the rig and the government who enforced the regulations dealing with rig operations and the government who said the rig passed inspection time and time again, why don't you think the government would have any "expertise" to input in solving this problem?

>>> But suddenly the GOOPers think it's all the gov't's responsibility.

Odd...I seem to recall quite the loud whine blaming Katrina on Bush. Hmmm...

>>> Do you think that now they would also like the fed gov't to take over the drilling operations? Are they turning into socialists?

Typical liberal reasoning...a corporate accident equals a government takeover of the corporation. How about the government doing what it's supposed to do...like approving and funding the building of the sand-barriers that Jindal has been asking for for weeks? How about providing adequate "boom" to contain the oil? Where are the clean up crews? Where are the tankers out there to siphon up the oil? Why not just have the government execute it's own oil-spill "contain and burn off" plan? Quite plain and simple, the Obama regime has been completely inept in it's handling of this problem.

>>> HahahahahahhaHA! The federal government is unnecessary until the corporations mess everything up, just like the financial crisis. Now they blame dems for INACTION.

Typical lib kool-aid overload. There is a HUGE difference between a small, efficient government and the HUGE nanny-state the left is seeking...and no where will you find a conservative who says that government is unnecessary...that's as radical and incomprehensible to us as the liberal socialist-state.

iVillage Member
Registered: 10-25-2006
Sun, 06-06-2010 - 8:01am

The Dutch weren't the only ones to offer help:

On May 5th the State Department emailed reporters, naming 13 entities, of which the Netherlands was one, that had offered to help with the oil spill. That report indicated that the Coast Guard was in the process of assessing the offers. Here we are, one month later, and the Coast Guard is now willing to accept help, esp. in the form of specialized equipment like skimmers.

Did the Coast Guard goof in failing to enlist the help of other nations sooner? With the benefit of hindsight we can answer 'yes'. But had the gov't jumped to spend millions of dollars on contracts with foreign corporations, and deny many jobs to U.S. citizens when the economy is still so shaky, and had the spill/damage turned out to be only modest, as BP was claiming in the first two weeks following the spill, we would now be seeing posts here about how the fed gov't unnecessarily sent dollars overseas; about how the current administration would rather promote its self-image worldwide than to help the many unemployed Americans.

Complain all you want. This is very different than Katrina, and I think everyone here knows that.

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http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/october/meet_the_new_health_.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQTBYQlQ7yM

iVillage Member
Registered: 02-14-2010
Sun, 06-06-2010 - 12:24pm

"But had the gov't jumped to spend millions of dollars on contracts with foreign corporations, and deny many jobs to U.S. citizens when the economy is still so shaky"


That doesn't fly too well. You don't just toss a bunch of welders, plumbers and engineers in a bus and send them to something like this. It's a very specialized. The very obvious course of action for Barry would be to thank and accept their help, that of course starting with small teams capable of ascertaining the situation.


Now those specialists are a month behind trying to catch up.


iVillage Member
Registered: 09-30-2009
Sun, 06-06-2010 - 1:30pm
"The Dutch weren't the only ones to offer help:"

I didn't say they were the only ones. FTR I'm not upset they didn't accept Dutch help. I'm MAD they didn't accept ANY foreign help.


iVillage Member
Registered: 02-01-2010
Sun, 06-06-2010 - 4:49pm

>>> Obama also said he's ordered the number of workers involved in the cleanup to be tripled. Up to 20,000 workers were already involved.

Obama's pretty good at slight of hand...because those 20,000 workers were no where to be seen until...magically...there they were for Barry's photo-op...and then they disappeared again. Presto!

iVillage Member
Registered: 09-30-2009
Mon, 06-07-2010 - 1:43am
Compare it with: You're in the kitchen and your deep-fryer catches fire. Your 13 friendly neighbours happen to have

iVillage Member
Registered: 12-07-2006
Mon, 06-07-2010 - 4:05am

Thanks for posting this.

iVillage Member
Registered: 02-14-2010
Mon, 06-07-2010 - 5:34pm

ITA!


I'm firmly convinced the Obama administration was deliberately hiding the scope of the oil spill and for that to happen it meant keeping outsiders away. During the interum, the problem simply got worse. A lot worse.

iVillage Member
Registered: 09-30-2009
Mon, 06-07-2010 - 5:36pm

You're most welcome.


No matter who is POTUS right now. IMO your government/authorities have failed