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http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/october/meet_the_new_health_.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQTBYQlQ7yM

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Registered: 02-14-2010
In reply to: janetlz
Fri, 07-02-2010 - 11:28pm

Great post/comments.


Yea, liberal accusations can usually be beatten by the use of a few facts.


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Registered: 01-24-2010
In reply to: janetlz
Fri, 07-02-2010 - 11:30pm

Again, you are making assertions with no basis. Unless you were privy to the secret meetings Cheney held with the energy industry, you have no more clue than the rest of us what was agreed.

"But there's a lot we still don't know. The task force recommendations included scaling back regulations and oversight of offshore drilling while expanding incentive programs and access to resources, many of which would come to pass in future legislation. But how much the task force may have guided decisions at federal agencies—in particular the notoriously lax Minerals Management Service (MMS)—is unclear. The administration's directives across the agencies actively discouraged any regulations or oversight that might hinder development of resources.

Among the many questions is what role the task force may have played in a 2003 decision by the MMS not to require offshore rigs to install an acoustic shut-off switch, a remote-controlled backup system that seals off an underwater well even if the rig above is destroyed. Countries like Norway and Brazil require this precaution, and MMS considered doing the same. But oil companies complained that the $500,000 devices were too expensive and, they argued, ineffective. Ultimately, MMS made the switches optional. The Deepwater Horizon was not outfitted with such a device, which could have prevented the spill. Other concerns include a failure to implement new cementing policies or act on known concerns about key components on drilling rigs."

http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/06/dick-cheney-bp-spill

Here's what we do know. President Bush was an oilman from Texas, like his father, and Halliburton Cheney was happy to go along. They deregulated everything they could get their hands on. They never saw an opportunity to help a giant corporation they didn't grab. It's pretty obvious to everyone what probably happened. Everyone, that is, except that portion of the country that watches a lot of Fox not News.

And as for your cheap shots on President Obama and statement that we should not compare him to Reagan, actually Presidential historians think the two Presidents are pretty close in efficacy, and that both are pretty close to Bill Clinton. You see, I am for the Presidents that were effective. Not the ineffective ones like W. or the Republican Party today.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/presidental-scholar-survey-ranks-obama-ahead-of-reagan-as-greatest-american-president/

iVillage Member
Registered: 06-07-2010
In reply to: janetlz
Sat, 07-03-2010 - 5:42am

>>> You say Republicans led us to a decade of prosperity? You mean like the 1920s?

No, more like the 2000s.

>>> And without any job creation to speak of compared to what Clinton did in the 1990s.

Actually there was more than a million jobs created, and the economy grew consistently throughout Bush's administration, despite a recession, 9/11 and the most partisan opposition Congress in history. And as far as Clinton is concerned, Slick Willy was simply the coincidental recipient of the internet boom. None of his policies were directly, or indirectly, responsible for the economic growth of the late 1990s.

>>> And with a totally unnecessary, massively expensive and totally unfunded fiscally irresponsible war in Iraq.

Are you referring to the war that was so enthusiastically supported by the Democrats?

>>> As for your arrogant comment, "Boehner has led the Republicans from down-and-out to crushing the Dems in every poll and re-taking the Congress in November, all in just two years," time will tell my friend. You may be right. You may be wrong.

Yep...November is coming up quickly and every poll shows the Dems awaiting slaughter for their incompetence and ineptitude.

>>> The truth is you have no more idea what will happen than anyone else, yet you talk like you know it all with little basis for it.

Keep drinking...maybe the kool-aid induced haze will make the Democrat's crushing defeat a little more bearable.

iVillage Member
Registered: 06-07-2010
In reply to: janetlz
Sat, 07-03-2010 - 6:56am

>>> "And yes, Cheney held secret meetings with energy companies and opened the floodgates to offshore drilling.

Actually, no...it was Clinton who signed the "Deep Water Royalty Relief Act" in 1995, to entice oil companies to drill in deep Gulf waters. And...here's another bubble buster...it was Obama who SPECIFICALLY gave the Deepwater Horizon rig authorization to drill in the Gulf...and also provided the regulation and oversight that led to the current spill.

>>> His administration presided over the most corrupt MMS in the history of that agency which is supposed to regulate oil companies, which is saying a lot. And yes, he did very little to promote alternative energy which would compete with his precious oil companies."

Again...um...no. It was Obama, after naming Salazar the head of the interior and overlord of the MMS, who presided over the current MMS scandal...but it's not surprising to hear the enthusiastic call of the liberal apologist..."Bush did it!"

>>> Again, you are making assertions with no basis.

Only if you consider reality to have no basis...but then again, for supporters of Obama...

>>> Unless you were privy to the secret meetings Cheney held with the energy industry, you have no more clue than the rest of us what was agreed.

And yet, I wasn't the one who claimed to know what was said in Cheney's "secret meetings." Hmmm...h-y-p-o-c-r-i-s-y ? What I did do was provide the actual facts...as evidenced by Clinton's signature on the bill incentivising deep water drilling...instead of using one's mind-reading powers to spy on meetings one didn't attend.

>>> "But there's a lot we still don't know.

That kind of says it all.

>>> The Deepwater Horizon was not outfitted with such a device, which could have prevented the spill. Other concerns include a failure to implement new cementing policies or act on known concerns about key components on drilling rigs."
http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/06/dick-cheney-bp-spill

And again, I hate to burst your bubble with actual facts, but it was the Obama administration that authorized and regulated the Deepwater Horizon rig.

>>> Here's what we do know. President Bush was an oilman from Texas, like his father, and Halliburton Cheney was happy to go along.

Sure...if you read the liberal comic book version of history. In reality, Bush Sr. abandoned his "oil career" in 1964...was elected to Congress in 1966 and was eventually elected the President of the US. Before that, he was the Vice-President under Reagan.

Bush Jr. abandoned his involvement with oil exploration in 1988 and was the Governor of Texas, winning re-election with a record 69% of the vote, before being elected President.

Cheney was formerly a successful businessman before being elected to Congress 5 times, beginning in 1978...then became Secretary of Defense by a Senate vote of 92-0...directing the victorious Operation Desert Storm in the first Gulf War...and then elected Vice-President in 2000.

Barry, on the other hand, was a community organizer with a completely undistinguished state Senate career, followed by an even shorter, undistinguished US Senate stint...followed by a lie-filled propaganda campaign that persuaded enough ignorant people to elect him to be the most incompetent, corrupt, socialist President in history.

>>> They deregulated everything they could get their hands on. They never saw an opportunity to help a giant corporation they didn't grab.

Heavens! A President that wasn't anti-business...and the economy actually grew under their watch. Imagine that!

>>> It's pretty obvious to everyone what probably happened. Everyone, that is, except that portion of the country that watches a lot of Fox not News.

You mean the "portion" or Fox viewers that is three times as large as the "portion" that watches all other liberal propaganda-fests combined? I guess that's why there are so few people who agree with your perceptions.

>>> And as for your cheap shots on President Obama and statement that we should not compare him to Reagan,

Obama should walk around with a disclaimer around his neck..."any comparisons to Ronald Reagan are accidental and unintended, as Barry is completely inept and unworthy to be compared with the great man."

>>> actually Presidential historians think the two Presidents are pretty close in efficacy,

Must be historians under the pay of the Obama regime...just as scientists under their thumb support global warming...i.e. no credible historian compares Obama with Reagan.

>>> and that both are pretty close to Bill Clinton.

The guy who was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice? Yeah...Obama is in pretty good company with Clinton.

>>> You see, I am for the Presidents that were effective. Not the ineffective ones like W. or the Republican Party today.

Yeah...so "ineffective" he was elected TWICE. And so "ineffective" he thwarted every Dem attack and got them to sign on to every important piece of legislation he wanted to pass. Barry, on the other hand, can't convince anyone of anything and only passes his socialist agenda by threatening Democrat dimwits and lying to the American people.

Better look for another poll...with numbers in the gutter's gutter, Barry isn't worthy to shine Reagan's shoes. He can, however, get Slick Willy a cup of coffee.

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Registered: 01-24-2010
In reply to: janetlz
Sat, 07-03-2010 - 10:50am

Yes, Obama does share some of the blame for not cleaning up the pit that was MMS. As you are aware, the Republicans let it get so bad for our oil regulators that they were caught snorting crystal meth off toasters and having sex parties with the companies they regulate. Clinton allowed offshore drilling, but the regulated safe kind, until the Republicans tore up all regulations like they always do and made it unsafe.

Yet in your dreamworld, everything good that happens during Democratic administrations, like 20 million jobs created under Clinton, is a fluke and everything bad that happens under Republican Administrations, like a paltry number of jobs created under W. and 9/11 and a totally unnecessary unfunded massively costly war and the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, is just a coincidence.

Sorry, you are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts. Dream on dreamer along with the rest of the Fox gang. The rest of us can hear your loud snoring.

iVillage Member
Registered: 06-07-2010
In reply to: janetlz
Sat, 07-03-2010 - 6:40pm

>>> Yes, Obama does share some of the blame for not cleaning up the pit that was MMS.

Some? Yeah...it's not like he hasn't been in charge for a year and a half...it's not like his hand-picked clown, Salazar, doesn't have direct oversight of the MMS...it's obviously not the Obamessiah's fault for not cleaning up an agency that was under his control. Where's that kool-aid?

>>> As you are aware, the Republicans let it get so bad for our oil regulators that they were caught snorting crystal meth off toasters and having sex parties with the companies they regulate. Clinton allowed offshore drilling, but the regulated safe kind, until the Republicans tore up all regulations like they always do and made it unsafe.

LOL! Regulated the "safe kind?" Do you imagine that BP and the other oil companies invented "safe" drilling methods with "safe" contingency plans in case of an accident...and then just threw those "safe" methods and "safe" plans out the window as soon as Bush was elected? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! And then they figured that Obama was so corrupt and stupid that they decided to keep those "safe" methods and plans in their back pockets and only show him the "unsafe" methods and plans when OBAMA gave BP the lease and regulated the rig? Too funny!

>>> Yet in your dreamworld, everything good that happens during Democratic administrations, like 20 million jobs created under Clinton, is a fluke and everything bad that happens under Republican Administrations, like a paltry number of jobs created under W. and 9/11 and a totally unnecessary unfunded massively costly war and the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, is just a coincidence.

Coincidence? Hardly. The economic collapse was a DIRECT result of Democrat social engineering policies. And 9/11 could have devastated an economy that was already in a recession, but Bush's policies kept it growing and kept unemployment at near record lows. As for the jobs that were created under Clinton...besides the usual rhetoric, can you point to ANY of Clinton's policies that were directly attributable to the creation of those jobs? Nah...didn't think so. Clinton was coincidentally the President during the aftermath of a technological explosion...he was also, coincidentally, the President when the bubble burst, so if you're going to give him credit for the boom...you also have to give him credit for the bust...and the loss of billions of dollars and millions of jobs. Congratulations, Bill!

>>> Sorry, you are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts. Dream on dreamer along with the rest of the Fox gang. The rest of us can hear your loud snoring.

LOL! Based on Fox's ratings, the "gang" is "most of America" and "the rest of you" are Code Pink, Olbermann's three fans and Barry's relatives. Drink up!

iVillage Member
Registered: 02-14-2010
In reply to: janetlz
Sun, 07-04-2010 - 8:21am

"were caught snorting crystal meth off toasters and having sex parties with the companies they regulate. "


Entirely untrue.


Everyone knows it's the left that has the history of screwing corporate America.


The head, the one running the show at the MMS, the one responsible for setting the tone and the standards for the department...Clinton appointee.


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Registered: 01-24-2010
In reply to: janetlz
Sun, 07-04-2010 - 11:14am

Now you think the MMS was ok under Bush and that the problem was Obama?? You could not be more disconnected from reality. Obama was trying to clean up the mess Bush left, albeit not fast enough.

Read this and then try to spin me with some more unreality.

"WASHINGTON — A program director allegedly snorts crystal meth off a toaster oven. A marketing supervisor sells sex toys to her employees, while senior executives allegedly rig contract bids for a pal. . . ."

http://www.texaswatchdog.org/2008/09/toaster-oven/

http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2010/05/ig-report-mms-regulators-accepted-gifts-jobs-oil-industry-drugs-porn

http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2010/06/14/14greenwire-clinton-era-secretary-blasts-interior-scientis-64760.html

iVillage Member
Registered: 02-14-2010
In reply to: janetlz
Tue, 07-06-2010 - 4:57pm

" You could not be more disconnected from reality. Obama was trying to clean up the mess Bush left, albeit not fast enough."


Piffle. Your messiah's been a sellout for years. Even some of the die-hard koolaid drinkers are starting to take notice.


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