ATKINS?

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Registered: 04-25-2004
ATKINS?
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Fri, 04-30-2004 - 2:03pm
Anyone doing Atkins? If so, how's it going? I was thinking about trying it for a while -just wondering if anyone had tried it and had success?


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Registered: 11-04-2003
In reply to: ipamella
Thu, 05-06-2004 - 10:27pm
I'm not going to jump in on this post about the safety of Atkins, we are all adults and make our own choices.
 
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Registered: 04-02-2003
In reply to: ipamella
Fri, 05-07-2004 - 2:08am
"And most in the medical community consider it unsafe."

And they consider it unsafe DESPITE the lack of substantive research showing that low carbohydrate, high fat, high protein diets are unsafe. Frankly, I expect better of scientists. I would much prefer they conducted, you know, ACTUAL RESEARCH before declaring something safe, unsafe, dangerous, harmless, or pointless. Given how little we really know about metabolism, I don't think I'm asking too much of the "medical community."

"Some of the reports, from Atkins autopsy results,"

Read this part slowly now:

THERE WAS NO AUTOPSY. Read it again: THERE WAS NO AUTOPSY. The ME conducted an EXTERNAL EXAMINATION. Pretty hard to determine the state of one's arteries if you never actually LOOK at them, now isn't it? Unless the ME is able to conduct X-rays, CAT scans, and sonograms with the naked eye, which somehow I doubt is possible.

"show that the diet was what really killed him"

No, they didn't, and I've READ the ME's report. (you can too, if you go to http://www.thesmokinggun.com and search for "Atkins") What killed Atkins? Falling on an icy sidewalk and being in a coma for more than a week. Now, the ME's report did note Atkins' history of congestive heart failure, which Atkins himself had disclosed prior to his death. The source of the congestive heart failure wasn't diet related--it was the result of a viral infection that weakened the heart. Viral infections are a pretty common cause of congestive heart failure. But you'd know that if you took the time to do a little research, wouldn't you?

"and he died a very fat"

Only if you consider 60 pounds of fluid retention (common in coma patients) fat. But most in the medical community consider it, you know, FLUID.

"and unhealthy corpse"

Have you heard of a HEALTHY corpse? I haven't! Besides, no one dies AS a corpse--a body becomes a corpse upon death. Perhaps you meant "he died very fat and unhealthy," and again, he wasn't very fat when he checked into the hospital, and rarely is someone in a coma considered to be healthy!

"but something to think about and read about and consider, for sure."

Well, of course. But that's true of everything, you know. Hey, we all know life is a series of choices, right?

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Registered: 12-02-2003
In reply to: ipamella
Fri, 05-07-2004 - 8:10am
ipamella-

I agree that you should read and understand the plan before you try it. And in reading and understanding, you'll see that there is nothing unsafe or insane about it, when done correctly. Please know that every plan has it's detractors, for whatever reasons, and that it's up to you in the end. Just please don't let the misinformed, or uninformed, or don't-want-to-be-informed, guide your choice. My dr. wholeheartedly supports my efforts, and the way I am going about it. I personally know of several other dr's who also advocate Atkins or low-carb plans for some people, and I have read of even more. It's a very personal decision, and it has to fit your body and life or it won't work, no matter what you choose. If you choose a different way than Atkins or low-carb, I wish you the best, and will be here to cheer for you, and so will others. If you choose Atkins, I'll share my low-carb recipes :-).

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Registered: 01-07-2004
In reply to: ipamella
Fri, 05-07-2004 - 8:44am
Ya'll just a new thought on Atkins and I am not sure if this is news or not but...

the Atkins diet is another form of a diet a diabetic follows. GASP!!! Yeppers you got it here.

My mom being the diabetic she is has to watch her carbs, fats and sugars. So in essence both south beach and atkins are different forms of a diabetic diet. Makes you wonder about all the it's unhealthy hype going around.

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Registered: 03-20-2004
In reply to: ipamella
Fri, 05-07-2004 - 4:48pm
Ethnocentric, eh? Lest you forgot, Atkins was American and we're talking about the American medical community being against his diet. Ethnocentrism doesn't come into play, since American+American=American. As far as other medical communities, around the world even, are concerned, the Atkins diet has been warned about worldwide (even in Canada). If you saw that new program last night which "supports" the Atkins diet, even it had to start out with a disclaimer that the world-wide medical community has "nearly universally condemned the Atkins diet plan as potentially deadly" (exact quote). But still, it is true that everyone has to decide for themselves what diet they want to follow, if any, and how much (of themselves) they are willing to risk in order to be thin. It just seems so much simpler to eat wisely and not endanger life and limb than to go out on one for a fad diet. Moreover, the Atkins diet has been around since 1973 and you'd think if it had the answers then everyone would be thin by now. Instead, people in BOTH America and Canada are getting fatter.....and, lest we forget, Atkins himself died fat.

You have a good weekend.

Forte

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Registered: 12-02-2003
In reply to: ipamella
Fri, 05-07-2004 - 8:14pm
Anything is potentially deadly. That's not a very good argument.

I am risking nothing with my diet, as long as I do it properly. My dr. supports it. There are others who do, too. You often advise people to speak to their dr. If the dr. supports it are we supposed to ignore them for your wisdom?

Atkins IS eating wisely, for a whole lot of people. People whose bodies don't manufacture insulin properly, or who are just wired differently than you. No one tells you the way you've done things is wrong. Why are you so bound and determined to do it to everyone else? You're not the mold we're all created from, so the way you do or have done things is NOT going to be the best for everyone.

Yes, the Atkins diet HAS been around since 1973. That doesn't mean that everyone's been FOLLOWING it that long. I didn't become familiar with it til last year.

And again, you ignore what could prove you wrong. Atkins died after being in a coma, and unless you were there you can't discredit those who've said it was the fluid retention of having been in a coma after head trauma that created his extra weight.


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Registered: 04-26-2003
In reply to: ipamella
Fri, 05-07-2004 - 10:07pm
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I see some truth in that, actually, Forte. But we can also turn that around on your favorite method for weight loss, calorie counting. If that was the answer then everyone would be thin by now, as well. The truth is that there is no simple answer. God, I wish there were!

I think my point is just that we all have to create a plan that works for us. Atkins is not for me, I assure you. Why? Well, frankly I don't like meat. I tried it and got so sick of eggs that I wanted to scream. It didn't work for me. It works for lots of other people, and I think that's great. The atkids have been kicking some bootie in their weight loss! Similarly, calorie counting as a program for weight loss does not work for some people. It's been my personal favorite method, but as I've metioned I'm not doing it because I get obsessed and then binge. I'm trying a different approach at creating a caloric deficit.

Diff'rent strokes for different folks, as they say.

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Registered: 09-08-2003
In reply to: ipamella
Fri, 05-07-2004 - 10:16pm
Could you please, please, please, tell me what health benefits sugar, white flour, and potatoes give me????? PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTION. I have been on Atkins for going on a year and I am at the point where that is all I don't eat, HOW AM I KILLING MYSELF???????

Fed up to here with the anti-everything crowd. KSAs
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Registered: 12-02-2003
In reply to: ipamella
Fri, 05-07-2004 - 10:20pm
Congrats on following through for nearly a year, Ksas. :-)
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Registered: 09-08-2003
In reply to: ipamella
Fri, 05-07-2004 - 10:37pm
why thank you madam! Happy weekend to all. KSAS