I want to eat the cake...

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I want to eat the cake...
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Thu, 05-06-2004 - 3:59pm
Yesterday was my son's 16th birthday. He got his drivers license. He is driving a car around in the great big, cruel world right this very minute! I want to eat the rest of the birthday cake...it will make me feel better... I haven't yet, but I WANT to!

Faith
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Registered: 04-26-2003
Mon, 05-10-2004 - 5:22pm
Forte,

As you've mentioned, the key to weight loss is eating fewer calories than one burns. There is nothing special about the calories in ice cream cake. If Karrie eats a 300 calorie slice and enjoys it, so be it! Those 300 calories are not different from the 300 calories from a low-fat burrito, bowl of oatmeal and banana or anything else. Yes, there is a nutritional difference in the calories, but one could lose weight eating ice cream cake every single day. Good idea? Probably not, but as far as weight loss goes, it is possible.

I fail to see how Karrie would be shooting herself in the foot if she had cake on her birthday. I think it would sabotage her even more to NOT eat ice cream cake on her birthday. Then she'd feel deprived, possibly be unhappy with her lifestyle and be more likely to binge or eat the whole damn ice cream cake. Whenever we make a food *taboo* we crave it even more. Learning to eat real, high calorie foods while maintaining a weight loss is absolutely critical for us to regain a healthy relationship with food. I don't think any of us should strive to only eat "diet" food.

We need to learn to eat food, enjoy it and treat it like *food.* We shouldn't fear it, we shouldn't be scared of certain foods, we shouldn't cut things we love entirely out of our diets because this is what makes an eating plan unsustainable.

No one disagrees that certain foods are healthier than others. And yes, ideally we should all be moving toward a veggie rich, high antioxidant, heart-healthy low salt diet. But everyone should get to eat cake on their birthday.

Erin

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Mom
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Registered: 03-26-2003
Mon, 05-10-2004 - 5:24pm

You said: instead of all this talk about binging on ice cream cakes.


Are you blind or just unable to read?

  Shawna-- Proud Cl for 100 Pounds or More to Go 

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Registered: 01-07-2004
Mon, 05-10-2004 - 5:25pm
hmm, let me get this through your head since you two seem to be siamese twins...i am not going to feel guilty.

i don't feel guilty about my food choices especially since GASP i have lost about 12 pounds and 3 inches this last month.

tsk tsk kinda hard when you are trying to beat up on someone who has a healthy blood pressure, cholestral, sugar, etc and still enjoys the treats we had as children.

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Registered: 01-07-2004
Mon, 05-10-2004 - 5:27pm
hey hey do ya'll need me to send you a piece as well??? :)

goodness 20 people are going to be there...like i could binge and who wants to do that anyway?

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Mon, 05-10-2004 - 5:29pm

You said: And especially so, when there are other alternatives which not only taste BETTER, are FRESHER, but are healthier to boot.


Your idea of taste is different from mine or Karrie's.

  Shawna-- Proud Cl for 100 Pounds or More to Go 

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Registered: 01-07-2004
Mon, 05-10-2004 - 5:31pm
songe cake is hospital food...

goodness when my dad and my mom were in the hospital thi last summer that's all they got...EWWWW

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Mon, 05-10-2004 - 5:32pm
I will pass Karrie =)

  Shawna-- Proud Cl for 100 Pounds or More to Go 

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Mon, 05-10-2004 - 5:32pm
And hippolytes, Karrie never *ever* said that she planned to binge on ice cream cake.

I'm sick of the holier-than-thou attitude. Guess what? You don't have all the answers. Get over it. I'd love to hear your ideas about things, because everyone has something to add to this board. But, lose the attitude that everyone else here (but Forte) is stupid, unmotivated or not really putting effort into weight loss. No, you didn't say it outright, but you implied it. It needs to end.

For the record, I don't like Cooking Thin. Kathleen Daelemans has some good recipes, but she promotes unhealthy eating habits. I've seen it several times and she always talks about being able to "eat seconds" or "eat as much as you want" of this or that low calorie food (last time I saw it, it was an apple slaw she said you could eat all you wanted). That promotes terrible eating habits. "Here, it's low-cal! Eat all you want, ignore your body's cues and binge with low-calorie abandon!" It's such a bizarre mindset.

How about we eat a normal sized portion of a normal healthy food.

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Mom
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Mon, 05-10-2004 - 5:34pm
EWWWW...i should make ya'll a home made tres leches cake.
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Registered: 04-08-2004
Mon, 05-10-2004 - 5:35pm
Erin,

Didn't Forte already say that Karrie should eat whatever, whenever. Karrie is an adult and can make her own choices, and live with her own consequences. I fail to see the big deal here. Forte suggested that Karrie could consider a healthier choice, if she wanted to. It was a helpful suggestion, really. And to be fair, Karrie's first post on the topic didn't suggest her birthday or anything....just a desire to eat an ice cream cake, to which Forte said there are ways to make one more delicious and healthier than those cakes which are stored (god knows for how long) in the Baskin Robbins freezer. Then Karrie said she wanted that, so let her eat cake and be done with it.

You are right, as so was Forte (if she said it) that all calories are calories and there is no distinction between a hershey bar calories or fish and veggie and fruit (in other words, a full meal) calories....calories all count. What you miss is some calories lead to good health, and others are just empty. But I don't see what other point you're making there. The goal should be good health, not just/only weight loss. But if you only want to lose weight (for example) and don't care about whether your teeth or hair fall out or if there's a massive coronary is your immediate future....then a person could theoretically lose weight on 1,500 calories worth of Baskin Robbins a day just as easily as he or she could lose weight on 1,500 calories worth of good healthy balanced meals per day. The difference could be counted in the health of the individual. And health really does count, don't you think!

Have a good one.

hippolytes