They caught him!

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They caught him!
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Sun, 12-14-2003 - 3:23pm

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In reply to: revanna
Sun, 12-14-2003 - 5:16pm
When I saw that on the internet this morning I was in such shock! Not as much as 9-11, but still very shocked and thrilled. Wonder if that will quiet all the "useful idiots" now. I doubt it. They'll just be concerned with his human rights while he's in captivity, I bet.

Rhonda


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In reply to: revanna
Mon, 12-15-2003 - 7:51am
Hrrmmmmm.....

I'm glad they caught him too. I guess I must be one of those useful idiots since I thought human rights extended to everyone. The man is obviously suffering from some mental defect. I'm not saying that he has an excuse or should be let off the hook for any of his well-documented crimes. I'm just saying that by treating him without basic human rights pulls the rest of the world down to his level if not below.

If we're going to sell the rest of the world on democracy, maybe we should practice what we preach regardless of who is in question. And after all, that is what we're trying to do...sell Iraq on democracy. Yes, they had tried to depose Saddam themselves, but are we certain that democracy is where they wanted to go? I hope so.

Before you all get all het up, I hope they gas or needle the guy. He's obviously a tyrant who needs to be put out of commission. But with that said, I can't help but think that the Iraqi people are watching us carefully to see how democracy really works in the real world. Ideologies are a dime a dozen, it's the real world that really matters.

Lori

Lori

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In reply to: revanna
Mon, 12-15-2003 - 7:56am
It's funny that you would think I'd get all "het up." LOL! I think the situation needs to be handled properly too, but I just find it very odd that so many people will be as concerned or moreso with his rights than those of the people (estimated at as many as a million) who suffered and died at his hands. Strange priorities...

Rhonda


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In reply to: revanna
Mon, 12-15-2003 - 9:48am

Not getting in a "het" either.

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In reply to: revanna
Mon, 12-15-2003 - 10:02am
My reaction was hand over mouth and "No!" as in "You're kidding!" I'm still just awestruck that we were able to find him. It's fitting that he was found in a hole looking like a rat. Yesterday the Cus couldn't help notice that Dan Blather was trying to find other things to talk about. Apparently this possibility wasn't in his script!

As for him having "The rights he denied millions", he has the right to be fed, clothed, have shelter, etc. He'll probably need a bullet-proof vest and an armed unit standing guard to keep the general population from killing him - go ahead and give him those protective measures. Keep him away from those who would want to torture him in revenge, for there are a lot of questions we have to get answers to. We need him thinking clearly, even if he wouldn't know the truth if he fell over it, as Straw has said. Hussein also has the right to a trial, and I believe it should be in the standards of his country by an Iraqi tribunal - let him answer to the very people he terrorized. After all, his criminal acts and withholding of humanitarian aid was committed against the Iraqis. Heck, let him be tried for his environmental crimes in 1991 which were more international in scope.

Bin Laden's going to be more elusive, though I think he'll eventually be found too. Unlike Pampered Saddam and his gold-gilded palaces built from international money meant for humantiarian purposes, Osama is used to living in holes and caves in the mountains. Still... I wonder what he's thinking about US persistence. I'm not deluded into thinking we are no longer vulnerable to terrorist attacks, but I sincerely doubt these groups thought we'd go after them with such gusto. I guess they didn't believe we would commit military resources to fighting them - no other western country who's been victimized by terrorists has to this extent. This is where I part ways with the Libertarian party: on September 11th 2001, the rules we were accustomed to changed. The enemy isn't a country but an ideology focused on killing US citizens anywhere they might live, including on our own soil. I believe in sending "think twice" messages to would-be terrorists by taking action against the current crop who declared war on us when they brought their violent acts to our soil.





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In reply to: revanna
Mon, 12-15-2003 - 10:19am
I'm not saying that he isn't getting his rights he probably is...it was all just philosophizing on my part. All I'm saying is that we cannot and should not deny him his rights because of his Butcher of Bagdad status. While others might argue with me about it, it actually doesn't make him less human. In fact the reaction I'm getting from many of my co-workers leads me to believe that his actions may actually be very human. Not humane mind you, but the actions of a human being. They have all been very much an eye-for-an-eye. In fact, the most gentle and religious person I work with had the immediate reaction that we should just kill him. Perhaps we should but here's my point:

I watched Dateline last night and there was an ex-service man on the show who had been held captive for 49 days by Saddam. He had been tortured and beaten. He was forced to denounce his own country on threat of death on video tape for the whole world to see. This young man told the nation last night that he had forgiven Saddam for his torture. If this man can find it in his heart to forgive such an atrocious act on his own person, who am I to decide Saddam's fate?

Lori

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In reply to: revanna
Mon, 12-15-2003 - 11:21am
I agree completely with Booty's thoughts that basic human rights must be extended to everyone. I especially agree with her thought that treating him in a manner less than that pulls us all down to his level or worse.

I haven't quite fiqured out where I stand on the death penalty or the idea of an eye for an eye.On one hand I believe our system for deciding the fate of someone is more than fair.On the other hand I'm not sure of the fine line between justice and revenge.And I have deep concerns about whether any of us have the right to decide if someone has the right to live or die.This is just a very personal struggle and question I deal with and don't expect anyone to agree with me.Believe me my family has weighed in on it often enough with me!

Darn, Lori, I wasn't going to do any deep thinking for awhile!!H*^^, I may as well look at my thighs now too!!!!

Miss P




 

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In reply to: revanna
Mon, 12-15-2003 - 11:30am
The funny thing is I never said he shouldn't have his basic human rights, and in the second post I even said I thought it should be handled properly, but somehow that seemed to get overlooked. The last thing I want is for us to be reduced to his level. My point is there will be some who are SOOOO concerned with

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In reply to: revanna
Mon, 12-15-2003 - 11:35am

I agree with you and hope that the trial takes place in Iraq where most of his crimes occured. This is one instance where I wouldn't mind seeing some Old Testament justice take place, but I know that's not going to happen. He'll never get what he deserves, because I don't think there's a punishment that is horrific enough, but I hope he'll never be able to cause harm to anyone again.


I notice Hilary hasn't had anything to say about it. It'll be interesting to see what spin she puts on it.

Rhonda


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Mon, 12-15-2003 - 11:38am
Very well put about finding THE weapon of mass distruction! I hadn't thought about it that way before, but it's so true. I did tell Tim last night that Saddam is probably living much better in captivity that he has been since he's been on the run. I think his old digs (pun) were more appropriate though. ;-)

Rhonda


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