Rhonda, I didn't get to watch Mel Gibson

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Rhonda, I didn't get to watch Mel Gibson
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Sat, 02-21-2004 - 8:04am
interview on Primetime but I did see the special on last night's Dateline NBC "The Last Days of Jesus" and afterwards, I flipped the channels and noticed on TBN, "The Making of The Passion of Christ". Both shows were so interesting! The Dateline show had quite a few Jesus scholars (disagreeing on things, too) discussing who killed Jesus. I've always thought that most sane people would gather from reading the Bible that not all Jews wanted Jesus killed back then - the San Hedrin (sp?) did not represent all people. They did bring up an interesting point about Jesus' entrance into Jerusalem the week of Passover and how the crowds were out there to greet him. He was quite popular & I'm sure alot of Jewish folks wished that Jesus would have brought the Kingdom of God in their lifetime to overthrow the Roman rule over them. However, I DO agree that Mel had no intention of anything anti-Semitic in this movie. The TBN special brought out a good point that in the book of John, Jesus said that his crucifixion had been planned all along. It it is obvious that Mel wanted to make this an experience for the whole world. I liked how he phrased it, not a film experience, but an experience. I know I am going to go see the movie, now!
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Sat, 02-21-2004 - 11:21am
I watched the Dateline show last night, too. Really ticked me off. It doesn't bother me that there are sceptics of the bible, but it does bother me when shows don't present both sides. All of the "scholars" last night referred to the gospels as fiction in one form or another. One even said something like fantastic work of fiction or something like that. DH and I were actually laughing at several points during the show because these "scholars" were soooo anti-Christian. Have your own opinion, but at least present both sides. I'm firing off an angry letter to them this morning.

I've really become so unenchanted with television as a whole and I'm thinking the kids are right on by watching Sponge Bob! I've stopped watching the morning network news programs and have switched to our local channel 5 news in the morning.

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The book I just finished last night (The Death of Right and Wrong: Exposing the Left's Assault on Our Culture and Values by Tammy Bruce) deals with this whole trend in society. It is very upsetting to me. The media is so liberal, and the vocal liberal elite are the ones determining policy in this country even though it goes against what the majority believes. I'm really hoping this movie and all the hoopla surrounding it will light a fire under Christians, conservatives, and others with just the good old traditional values this country was founded on, so they will become more active and not sit back and politely

       ~~Rhonda~~


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Sat, 02-21-2004 - 4:42pm
I've read books by the one scholar you referred to (the one saying "fantastic piece of fiction") and he (Dominic Crossan) claims to be a Christian. It is very shocking what alot of "Christian" scholars are taught in seminary these days (no virgin birth, Jesus was just an incredibly good person & popular preacher, etc., etc.).

Personally, I like to prove all things, as it says to do in the Bible. I'm always so curious about these skeptics of the Bible, so I try to stay abreast of what they are coming out with even though I know they can't shake my beliefs. I guess the "watch and pray always" passages of the Bible make me tune in to the news, even if it is slanted.

I agree with you that both sides of an issue should be presented. After that TBN special "The Making of The Passion of The Christ" was over, TBN had another neat show about the question of Jesus' resurrection. They DID show both sides of that issue. I was very impressed! I wish our TV guide would list that channel - I never know what's on that one & I love alot of their programming.

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Sat, 02-21-2004 - 6:05pm
BTW, there was one scholar on that program that has worked for quite awhile to dispute the Jesus Scholars, Craig Evans. He is a Baptist from what I read (here is a writeup on the program). So not all of the scholars on that show were in agreement about the reliability of the gospels.



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Mon, 02-23-2004 - 9:04am
We had communion this past Sunday. Our pastor's message was on the topic of the purpose and plan of the Crucifixion. He asked a few times "Who killed Jesus?" He referred back to Isaiah 53, written hundreds of years before, one of many chapters which predicted the demise of the Messiah in the brutal death He would suffer - "for our inequities." Our pastor concluded in prayer "Who killed Jesus? We did." When you read the NT, that is the Truth of it all - He wasn't killed by the Jews or the Romans or the Gentiles... but by - and for - everyone who lived before, lived then, and has lived since. I've only been "converted" fully since September 2001, and that's something that's been clear to me from the beginning.

Fortunately, there are plenty of Biblical scholars who are Christian as well. Our pastor refers to their writings to supplement his sermons.






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Mon, 02-23-2004 - 9:08am
Absolutely! Mel Gibson said that, also. I have to admit to watching & reading as much as I can on Bible matters - I find these things so interesting! However, one has to filter out the untruths.
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Mon, 02-23-2004 - 9:34am
We saw the last half of "The Making of Passion" last night on PAX TV. They're having an encore presentation tomorrow night. I was amazed at the actors and behind-the-scenes staff... and what they said of the experience. My jaw hit the floor a few times at some of the things Mel Gibson said - I'd initially wondered if he was making this film as a testimony, or to be controversial. Definitely the former. Though I've not sought his films, I've known about his talents as an actor and director, but his stock rose last night in this household. Didn't he fund the filming himself? I understand no production company wanted to touch it.






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Mon, 02-23-2004 - 6:10pm

I've heard that he put between 25 and 30 million of his own money up to make the film. It is truly a labor of love and a calling for him.

       ~~Rhonda~~


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Tue, 02-24-2004 - 10:24am
I missed the interview, also. I still want to see the film, but don't feel compelled to be there this weekend - I cannot stay awake long enough for a Friday evening show, and Saturdays will likely be sold out for a couple of weeks.

There are so many reviews or commentaries on the film it's impossible to keep up. Log onto boston.com and go to A&E for a review, a commentary, and 2 editorials - one from a columnist who's Jewish, the other from a Roman Catholic who's been hypercritical of the Church (I'm trying to remember his background, and I believe he was a seminarian at one point in his life). I tried to copy all the links here, but was unsuccessful.



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Tue, 02-24-2004 - 10:53am
There are bookoos of interviews with Mel alone! I saw another one on EWTN and he said the actress portraying Mary was pregnant (but never mentioned it to anyone until filming was underway), which made her even more motherly in the film, Mel thought.

Our local paper quoted some of our clergy on their thoughts. The Zen Buddhist representative's only negative comment was that Christians should be expectant of how the film will resonate in the Jewish community. The other only negative comments were the film covered the "how" well, but not enough of the "why" of Jesus' death. Films are very good media for spiritual matters, IMO, so I don't think anyone will cover that part of it well. I haven't seen any of those movies in the "Left Behind" series, so maybe I shouldn't judge that area!

Katherine (Kat)

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