Girls watch and get empowered

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Girls watch and get empowered
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Thu, 06-12-2008 - 8:16pm

This is a brilliant clip, very informative and open minds about women's place in the world. Everyone should realize!


Ladies watch, get empowered and pass it on...


http://youtube.com/watch?v=PVtLZaWaslc


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Thu, 06-12-2008 - 9:46pm
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Thu, 06-12-2008 - 11:27pm

I do totally agree that we need women throughout this world to have true access to positions of leadership and influence. I strongly disagree with the analysis that developing countries are behind the industrialized countries because "they oppress women." This is not only simplistic but based in racist western centric logic. How is it uplifting to women throughout the world to only use images of deprivation and suffering when depicting women of color and imply they are only pawns to men in their cultures - I found it truly offensive.

I also found it extremely simplistic to list a bunch of women leaders - some who have done good - others who have not - to justify why Hillary Clinton should be President. Ex. Margaret Thatcher - Ronald Reagan's crony who are they kidding? She didn't stand up for women, she surely didn't promote peace let alone improve social conditions in this world. In fact I would argue that she continued to perpetuate the ills that many male leaders inflicted us with before her. And Golda Meir - again joking right? She order hits on people how is that governing in a peaceful manner.

When I vote for a woman for president it will be because she is truly going to change things and will make this country a better place, not because she has 2 Y chromosomes. That would be playing into every sexist stereotype out there about women being ruled by emotion and being illogical.

O.k. done with my mini rant now.

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Thu, 06-12-2008 - 11:57pm

Yup - what she said!

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Fri, 06-13-2008 - 1:11am
WTHeck, I am follwer I agree.
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Fri, 06-13-2008 - 1:42am

Women that criticize other women shoot themselves in the leg.

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Fri, 06-13-2008 - 2:10am

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So as an intelligent smart woman I should just keep my trap shut and refuse to have an opinion if a woman is involved - isn't that repressing me because I am a woman? And isn't it treating the women being critiqued like children saying that they are too delicate to handle receiving constructive criticism. I'm sorry I am never going to buy into being a blind follower that is just a different yoke of oppression.

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Thank you for just proving my point - the video is all about how different women are and I gave examples that having a YY chromosome doesn't make you automatically a peace lover. You are saying they are basically allowed to be exactly like the male leaders that the piece criticizes because they are women - huh? That is completely counter productive and destroys the argument that women would find new ways to rule this world that would be better.

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Uuumm... did you watch the same video clip I did? It says and I quote "It's time to evolve for a balanced future" cuts to a picture of Hilary Clinton, then it says "Before it's too late" then it cuts to a picture of the A-bomb (which in itself is an offensive fear tactics.) This was clearly made by Hillary Clinton supporters and to act like it wasn't isn't being honest.

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I never said having women rulers would be bad, in fact I started my post out by stating this fact. And really Hitler, Stalin, Osama, Mussolini - of course they were bad - but not just because they were men.

And just a side note, I love the way you conveniently decided not to address any of the issues that I brought up about how this video portrayed women of color from developing countries - I guess treating all women with respect isn't important.

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Fri, 06-13-2008 - 7:02am

You said "Yes you should shut up. If you don’t have something nice to say about women don’t say anything... at least publicly.

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Fri, 06-13-2008 - 10:27am

Excuse me but don't tell me to "Shut up" you are on a debate board and the point is that people with differing views will debate - if you just want to have a bunch of women silently follow your lead you are in the wrong place. It is also completely hypocritical of you because you state:

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Are you not being rude to me (a woman) in public?

And you are still completely missing my point about race and how it played into this clip.

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Uummm excuse me you didn't even really read my comments. I never singled out women of African descent - I said women of color - which is an all encompassing word for non-white women throughout this world.

And by avoiding it you do what many men throughout history have done - discount women's arguments as not worth their time if they don't follow "their" rules of discourse. In fact you went as far as to say that:

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What I read that as you saying - since you did have time to try to tear up the rest of my post, is "I don't want to waste my time on aspects of your argument that don't interest me/concern me/don't validate my point, or more precisely maybe weaken my original point that this is an "Empowering" video clip."

And you seem to like to put a lot of words in my mouth and insult my intelligence - aaahhh how empowered I feel ;)

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I never said that men can't be aggressors, I just refused to fall behind you lock step and barrel and say ALL men are aggressors. And I am plenty aware of testosterone and it's affects.

Bringing up jail statistics is simplistic and opens a whole other can of worms - cause if your going to say statistics are proof of the pre-disposition to violence you are making a lot of, maybe unintended, assumptions about those who are incarcerated without acknowledging cultural factors of why and who are incarcerated and why and who some other criminals will never see the inside of a jail cell.

I also honestly don't see how I help my cause as a woman by spending all my time and effort fighting men instead of empowering myself and my sisters around me. My strength and beauty as a woman is profound and comes from within, it is not in opposition to, or in reaction to men - it is strong period. Making sexist broad sweeping statements about men does not prove a woman's superiority, it merely shows that for all the preaching out there women have no clue how to handle conflict or oppression any differently than the men one is criticizing, and it helps keep women from ascending and advancing in culture.

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And we're back to my original point - yes women are just as capable of being leaders, but they are not better just because. I will never buy that Margaret Thatcher did anything to advance the argument that women would lead in a more peaceful manner than a man, but I guess maybe you only want to emphasize women that prove your point and discount women and men who erode your point. The fact is it is demeaning to all women to try to act as if every woman is devoid of personal differences and styles in leadership and as if all women would lead one way.

And ironically this clip made that statement about developing countries struggling because they oppressed women, but many of these same countries the video clip itself showed have had women leaders (Liberia, Pakistan, etc.), but I guess we won't address that since it doesn't prove your point.

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This statement is why 2nd wave feminism will never advance past one generation. It discounts the fact that many women face oppressive forces that are not just about men, but are wrapped up in class and race.

On that note - Have a good day.

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Fri, 06-13-2008 - 1:22pm

I think just the fact that you used "GIRLS watch and get empowered" for your title rather than WOMEN...says a WHOLE lot about you.


I'm not sure that you know what you believe.


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Fri, 06-13-2008 - 2:06pm

Oh my word.

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