Daycare issues once again

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Daycare issues once again
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Mon, 07-19-2010 - 10:30pm

I swear it's one extreme or the other with my little guy! At the beginning when I went back to work they told me I was starving him-that 10 or even 15 oz of EBM wasn't enough..."He's starving, you need to bring more milk," they'd say. A month ago

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Registered: 01-12-2006
Tue, 07-20-2010 - 9:04am

It's generally not advised to initiate night weaning until after the first year of age when baby, as breastmilk really does digest quickly and despite what is popular belief, many babies DO need to nurse at night for their health. My own now 3 yo needed to nurse at night for a very long time (past the first year) or else she actually began losing weight, which is obviously a good indicator that she still needed to nurse at night. I do not work outside the home so my nursling didn't reverse cycle and could nurse during the day as needed, for the most part. But she did still require those nighttime meals.

Do you cosleep at all? I know many people are not comfortable with cosleeping, and I can tell you with my first, I was initially opposed (and in fact my first didn't cosleep with us until she was older than 6 mos old). But my littlest coslept from day one (even in the hospital). In general my youngest was VERY high needs ... content when touching mom (and only mom) but otherwise very displeased with her life situation. If you do not cosleep, you may find that it would allow you to continue to meet your son's needs at night while also helping you to get more rest. I simply could not function if I hadn't coslept, particularly with number 2, who nursed at night (and did not sleep well at night) for a VERY long time.

One thing I want to point out is that night-weaning does not mean baby will sleep at night. Even after I my littlest one began nursing less at night, she still did not sleep well (my oldest continued to wake at least once for a long while after night weaning).

At 7 mos old, it may help you to realize that MOST babies are NOT sleeping through the night (our friends and society in general would like us to believe differently, but studies show it's true ... ):
http://www.kellymom.com/parenting/sleep/sleepstudies.html

As you can see 50-80 percent of 6 month old babies are still waking at night.

Now all this doesn't mean there's nothing you can do to maximize your sleep. Have you considered reading Good Nights or The No Cry Sleep Solution, which is full of tips for improving babies nighttime sleep (and is quite gentle in its approach.

Here's a good list of tips you might employ:
http://www.kellymom.com/bf/weaning/weaning-night.html

Now ... all that being said, I'm not sure (depending on the schedule you keep) that 6 ounces of milk during the day is actually out of line. I seem to recall that you are feeding solids some during the day, which is perfectly acceptable at 7 mos old. But if you nurse when you drop him off ... he may not need to nurse for another 3ish hours ... at which point he might need 3 or so ounces of milk ... another hour or so later he's eating an ounce or so of food ... then lets say he needs another 3 ounces of milk 2 hours after his solid food ... he's only had 6 ounces of milk, but if you are picking him up another couple hours later and nursing him at that time, he's still had the average amount of milk of an ounce per hour. This is not to say that he could not be encouraged to take more of his milk during the day and less at night, but 6 ounces plus solids over 9 hours is not really out of line if you are in fact nursing him soon before / after drop off and pick up.

Look at the tips for encouraging more nighttime sleep and see what you think.

One question ... how much solid food is he taking now? And how often is he taking it. Sometimes these silly little babies do like their solids a lot, which encourages them to take in less milk when they nurse, but then they are hungry because solids are generally lower in calories and they decide they are quite hungry in the middle of the night ...

Also, at 7 mos, I'd highly consider teething. My oldest was a GREAT sleeper, except when she was teething (which turned out to be the entire 2nd half of her first year). And then she wanted to nurse a lot for comfort.

HTH

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Tue, 07-20-2010 - 2:58pm

Do you cosleep at all? OMGosh, if I didn't cosleep I'd really be exhausted! Yes, i've been cosleeping since about week 3. The good thing is that he never really WAKES, so no crying or trying to get him back to sleep. It's the constant rooting around that's doing me in! I've tried pacifiers but he's just not happy unless it's the real deal. Sometimes he nurses for 10 minutes, sometimes for less than a minute.


One question ... how much solid food is he taking now? And how often is he taking it. His DCP is giving him about a T (not sure of oz) of rice ceral mixed with BM. And a couple times a week I'll offer him some cereal with a veggie and BM (maybe a couple T max.


At 7 mos old, it may help you to realize that MOST babies are NOT sleeping through the night (our friends and society in general would like us to believe differently, but studies show it's true ... ): You have no idea how happy that makes me (is that evil of me to say that I'm GLAD i'm not the only one not sleeping! :)) Thanks for the tips-I'll be giving them a whirl-including getting DH involved! I like the sound of that. HA!


Thanks!
Bethany


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Registered: 10-27-2006
Tue, 07-20-2010 - 3:06pm

((HUGS)), I know your pain!

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Registered: 11-08-2007
Tue, 07-20-2010 - 9:12pm

WOW! That's amazing that Eli went back to sleep with you just shushing in the doorway...pretty sure that Henry would have FLIPPED out! :)


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Tue, 07-20-2010 - 9:22pm

The book she's talking about is called "The No Cry Sleep Solution" by Elizabeth Pantley. As a preview, take a look at http://www.pantley.com/elizabeth/,


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Tue, 07-20-2010 - 11:17pm
I have no advice on the daycare thing - but I have to agree with you that it's nice knowing that most babies at this age aren't STTN! I know my GD isn't! He actually does pretty well, but some nights I swear he eats every single hour and it IS exhausting! Plus, I co-sleep from about 3am on (when he wakes from his crib) and I can barely get back to sleep because I'm always afraid he's going to roll off the bed now that he's so wiggly! Ugh!



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Registered: 12-17-2007
Wed, 07-21-2010 - 12:46am

Some info from studies of normal infant sleep http://www.kellymom.com/parenting/sleep/sleepstudies.html

"Only 16% slept through the night at six months old -- 84% were not sleeping through the night at 6 months"

"Sleeping through the night: 71.4% did this on at least one occasion by 3 months of age, but many of these relapse into more frequent waking in the 4 to 12 month period. It is not until after 24 months that regular night waking (requiring attention) becomes much less common.

Although this study did not address breastfeeding, it is relevant because a lack of understanding of "normal" sleep patterns can lead to supplementing, early solids, belief there is not enough milk, etc. The authors claim it also leads to misdiagnosis of gastro-esophageal reflux (GER) and overuse of sedative medication."

"Regular night waking was a common characteristic throughout the first year:
Baby's age

% babies waking at night
3 months 46%
6 months 39%
9 months 58%
12 months 55%

The number of awakenings per night was a function of age. Following a decline in the number of interruptions from 3 to 6 months, an increase in night waking at age 9 months was recorded."

Another book I like was Dr. Jay Gordon's book "Good Nights" - personally I like it better than the No Cry Sleep Solution.

FWIW none of my boys were what society calls "good sleepers". Phillip is 4.5 years and has been completely weaned for about a year and I night weaned him at 19-20 months. However he still does not STTN. He will get up and get a drink go to the bathroom etc. Jacob is almost 12 and sleeps less than any kid I know. My youngest is my best sleeper (at night) of the batch but a long nap is 45 minutes for him so........ lol! They all have their quirks. Hang in there.



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Registered: 02-04-2007
Wed, 07-21-2010 - 9:07am

I like the info, but now I'm really dreading 9 months! ;) Haha!

I do, technically, consider Hayes STTN since he can go 8 hours without eating even though he currently wakes every night at 3:30ish. It just stinks that I can't get to bed earlier to take advantage of it! Once I go to bed it's only been about 4 hours of sleep for me when he wakes to eat. If you had told me a couple of years ago I would be surviving on 6 hours of broken sleep I would have thought you were CRAZY. Now I just FEEL crazy!



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Registered: 01-12-2006
Wed, 07-21-2010 - 9:44am
One of the things we've always done is simply put our kids to better later. This allows my DH who works long hours to actually spend time with them ... and has the bonus effect of allowing us to take advantage of their first long sleep. The down size is less time w/o kids before going to bed. But we don't generally mind that as much.
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Fri, 07-23-2010 - 1:43pm

Thanks everyone for your replies! I've decided to give the no-cry a try...everyone in my house has unfortunately been sick (except me) the last few days so I'm going to wait until everyone's good and healthy. :)


Thanks again!

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