Still annoyed at these changes . . .VENT

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Still annoyed at these changes . . .VENT
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Sat, 03-29-2003 - 9:30am
Last night after messing around with the board for a couple of hours, I feel a bit more comfortable with their use, but am still very angry. I guess the thing that makes me most angry is the loss of community! We no longer have the ability to have good group participation on timely subjects. Apparently, they think this is just a place to share a couple of little ideas once in a while - like the little family hints section of a magazine where people write in what tips worked for them for orgazning their kid's puzzle peices on long car rides, for instance. Those kinds of posts don't really need responses and are never really out of date.

What they don't seem to understand is that this is actually more of a discussion group than a bulliten board. We need to be able to see what topics are beining currently discussed, what everyone else said (with the option of opening a message for more detailed info), and the ability to keep track of what the current discussions are - not just any recent postings to an old one. The way it is now, they seem to think all we need is the ability to go back and search for someone else's post on pumps rather than asking a personal question and getting a personal response. Frankly, it's that personal aspect of these boards that is so important to us all, and they seemed to have missed the boat on that!

I just sent off a long email to "the powers that be" with my complaints and suggestions. Outline view is cumbersome and tedious and would be better used on a message by message or topic by topic basis. The dates should reflect when something was posted, not when someone last responded. Further, if they are going to have indicators of new messages, it would be nice if it actually worked between log ons, so as not to waste time opening messages with no new posts. (This is obviously a compound problem since if we could *easily* see each post in ouline view, we wouldn't have to depend on their inaccurate new message indicators.)

Well, thanks for listening ~ again ~ to my rantings. I think we'll all get through this, but I don't think it will ever be the same.

Calli

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Sat, 03-29-2003 - 10:32am
Calli - I totally agree! I have been at PP for 5 years, and I'm really mourning the loss of the *way* these boards worked before. I know the new boards have some cool features, but for high-volume boards, there is NO way to keep up, it seems to me. Being the conspiracy theorist that I am (must have watched too many episodes of the X-Files!), I'm wondering if part of this change is to actually discourage people from the high-volume boards to cut down on traffic (if that wasn't the intention, it's having that effect). It's also very difficult to keep track of different boards if, like me, you follow a bunch of them.

What I realized last night was that the old boards were very linear - you could follow the posts in order, the archives went back in time *in order*. The new boards are way too non-linear for me - I want to be able to go back to something and find it where it was, not have the discussion threads moving around based on who posted to what most recently. I'm really close to giving up altogether on them - I'm trying to keep an open mind, but I can't see any way that I can keep up with them.

And one of the biggest irritations for me is losing the "embed" feature - I would often use it to look at all of the responses to an initial post at once instead of having to click on every blasted single post to read them. Who has time for that?

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Sat, 03-29-2003 - 12:07pm
Let me interject here. While you raise a lot of good points, there is one point that you may not realize. Hypernews (the old board format) was on it's last legs. We didn't see it on this board thank goodness, but other boards had problems of posts disappearing, being overwritten, and things just falling apart. They had no choice but to do something. The promise of these boards is that that won't happen.

Yes, I miss the old format. I wish they hadn't changed over. I miss the sense of community we had. I tried very hard, with my folder suggestions, to try and keep some of that intact. Believe me, outline view of individual messages has been suggested by a whole SLEW of CLs. We want it too. And we've said so, loudly. (as a side note, you should have seen outline view when we first saw it, the folders weren't "fixed" so you had a jumble of folder/subject to a different one to a different one, to the first one. You get the picture. They fixed it cuz we *itched so loudly!)

They really tried to get the best one they could that was at least somewhat similar to what they had. Yes, many bugs still need to be worked out, but you have no idea how many there were before you saw the change.

On another side note, if I'm not around much, it's because I'm trying to update all of my links. I have 14 pages of them, most of them from the w&p, and I had very little notice (read 12 hours) to get all the info from them. Needless to say I didn't, so I'm spending quite a lot of time trying to do that. If I'm not around much, that's why. I apologize in advance.

I guess my main point is, give it a chance. We've only had the new format a few days. Enough people have made the same suggestions that, who knows, they might actually be implemlented. But those changes will take a while. We need to be patient.

We can make it through, but it's up to US to maintain our sense of community. That's our job through all of this. Because if we don't do it, no one will.

I'll get off my soap box now.

Jenni



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Sat, 03-29-2003 - 2:18pm
Yes! It's the lack of linear sense that is making this very difficult for me, too. In my note to them, I did mention that many people are already fed up and talking about leaving to find other forums or just frantically collecting email addresses so as not to lose touch with friends. I reminded them that every person who leaves is a set of eyes that is no longer available to their advertisers. I don't know, maybe they'll get the hint that we are really mad, not just a tad annoyed.

Calli

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Sat, 03-29-2003 - 2:25pm
Thank you, Jenni, for your comments. I understand that no change is ever easy. It's just that I actually found myself crying last night while trying to explain to my husband how the changes have affected the way the boards run. It really does seem like whoever designed this new format has never used these boards. I really do hope they take to heart the suggestions they've received. It can't be easy from their end to make such a huge change, but if they really do have our best interests at heart, I would hope they will also accept our input, whether it be positive or negative at this point.

Thanks for the explanation of why they made the change. I had no idea there were problems. Now, I just hope they can get the bugs out.

Calli

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Sat, 03-29-2003 - 9:30pm
I do know about the problems on the boards before - one of my boards had a lot of overwriting problems, so I know that things were not good.

I'm on a lot of boards at PP, and what I see is a lot of unhappy people and CL's everywhere telling everyone to give it time. I'm giving it time (I'm still here), but I'M UNHAPPY. I guess I needed to say it, and I needed it to be heard - right now I don't want to hear that it was necessary, that I'll get used to it, that I need to give it time. Think stages of grief, here, as silly as that may sound. I'm in ANGER right now. I connected with what Calli was saying which is why I posted.

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Sat, 03-29-2003 - 10:26pm
I agree and I understand. But please dear, don't forget, even when you're greiving people will say to "give it time". I think your likening it all to the grief stages is very appropriate. We ARE mourning what we were used to (and prefer!). I hit anger right off the bat. I even told them that I didn't see how they expected me to promote the new format when I hated it. It took me that entire week before they did the general launch to reach acceptance.

Now, while I do accept that this is the new format, that we aren't going back to what we had, that doesn't mean I LIKE it necessarily. I'm still at the point where I'm viewing all of this as a necessary evil. Hopefully, they'll tweak here and there and get the new system closer to what everyone would like to see. I wish it wouldn't take so long, but there's nothing I can do about it and complaining, while making me feel better for getting it off my chest and commisserating with others, won't do anything to speed the process.

Believe me, I know where you all are coming from. I'm right there with you. The only difference is I've had a week longer to get used to it. And you've got to admit, some of the new features are pretty nice.

Jenni



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Mon, 03-31-2003 - 8:45am
ITA!!!!

Ulrike