ITA - New York has very strict "graduated license" laws. New York City is even stricter! Doesn't bother my DD too much, since she can get where she needs to by walking or taking the subway, but I'm glad to not have 16yos driving alone on our busy streets!
Our bigger "problem" BTW is new immigrants, who were drivers in their own countries, and now have to learn all the new traffic rules and the unspoken/unwritten 'rules of the road'. I feel bad for them, because they're good drivers, but still make mistakes that can be dangerous.
Where I live, there are lots of graduated driving requirements for teens, but there have been studies showing that they haven't done much to reduce the fatality rates. One problem they're talking about is that there needs to be better enforcement, particularly of the rule of teens not driving w/ a carload of friends for a certain number of months. As I've posted here before, my next door neighbor's DD drives a bunch of friends to and from school every day (and who knows where else), and since she just turned 16 last April, there's no way she is legally allowed to do that yet. I think it's necessary to have these laws on the books, but just having the laws isn't enough.
I didn't realize that all states didn't have teen restrictions on driving. I think it is a total necessity, but as someone else said these laws aren't enough, they need to be enforced.
Kelsie has her permit and like Sue and her son, we won't allow her to get her license until she has driven through the winter.
I know that there is going to be an argument this weekend with her on this whole law thing. She has the Tinsel Ball to go to on Saturday and her BFF has her license. I do believe they are planning on Steph driving and there will be 2 couples going together and then going somewhere after the dance. Steph is a pretty responsible kid, BUT she is 17 and isn't suppose to have more than one non-relative passenger in the car with her and she isn't suppose to be driving after midnight. I know Kelsie is going to be PO'd, but I don't want them all riding together. Oh well, just another reason to be mad at mom and dad.
I always heard it was because the student lot had the better cars ;)
This thread is a good reminder as I grump my way through the 50 hrs of driving with DS3 before he can take the test. The older two had less(20 or 25)and 50 hrs is a remarkably long time.
Ive had several people tell me to take him on a road trip which means hours on the interstate in order to get this in place. The other two boys were not allowed on the interstate for a very long time after they got their licenses. I think there is something to be said for sticking in town at 30/35 on familiar routes for awhile. Lots more damage to be done at 65, even with mom in the passenger seat
Point being, I agree wholeheartedly with the concept of preparing these teens but I also think we need to get more creative than 'more is better'. And I wonder sometimes about what 'side effects' we cause. Sooner Interstate driving? More parents fudging because 50(10 at night)is really quite a chunk when kids are in school all day and both parents are working
Jan 1st our permit stage goes to 9 mos.
Our 1 person limit will be for a full year. Curfew at 10 on weeknights and 11 on weekends
All of these are 'number bumps'.
What I like better is that parents have to appear in court WITH the teen for a violation like speeding ticket. Violations up the sanction in your age category for 6 mos(so 18 mos without more than one passenger if you get a ticket in year one) No cell use until age 19. Two tickets is mandatory license suspension.
Minnesota definitely needs to get on board but I hope we dont just keep upping the ante on the numbers but put some thought and research into it all
And we are at 42 of the 50 hours; DS3 gets his air cast removed Friday(broke his toe on his 16th birthday)so I expect a busy weekend!
The law in MA when our 2 oldest got their licenses was a midnight curfew, permit for 6 months before taking the license test, then for the 1st 6 mos after getting a license, no other passengers under 21 in the car (except siblings) for 6 months.
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ITA - New York has very strict "graduated license" laws. New York City is even stricter! Doesn't bother my DD too much, since she can get where she needs to by walking or taking the subway, but I'm glad to not have 16yos driving alone on our busy streets!
Our bigger "problem" BTW is new immigrants, who were drivers in their own countries, and now have to learn all the new traffic rules and the unspoken/unwritten 'rules of the road'. I feel bad for them, because they're good drivers, but still make mistakes that can be dangerous.
Sue, mom to Leah and Seth
I didn't realize that all states didn't have teen restrictions on driving. I think it is a total necessity, but as someone else said these laws aren't enough, they need to be enforced.
Kelsie has her permit and like Sue and her son, we won't allow her to get her license until she has driven through the winter.
I know that there is going to be an argument this weekend with her on this whole law thing. She has the Tinsel Ball to go to on Saturday and her BFF has her license. I do believe they are planning on Steph driving and there will be 2 couples going together and then going somewhere after the dance. Steph is a pretty responsible kid, BUT she is 17 and isn't suppose to have more than one non-relative passenger in the car with her and she isn't suppose to be driving after midnight. I know Kelsie is going to be PO'd, but I don't want them all riding together. Oh well, just another reason to be mad at mom and dad.
I think our laws in WI are similar to yours in PA Sue.
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I always heard it was because the student lot had the better cars ;)
This thread is a good reminder as I grump my way through the 50 hrs of driving with DS3 before he can take the test. The older two had less(20 or 25)and 50 hrs is a remarkably long time.
Ive had several people tell me to take him on a road trip which means hours on the interstate in order to get this in place. The other two boys were not allowed on the interstate for a very long time after they got their licenses. I think there is something to be said for sticking in town at 30/35 on familiar routes for awhile. Lots more damage to be done at 65, even with mom in the passenger seat
Point being, I agree wholeheartedly with the concept of preparing these teens but I also think we need to get more creative than 'more is better'. And I wonder sometimes about what 'side effects' we cause. Sooner Interstate driving? More parents fudging because 50(10 at night)is really quite a chunk when kids are in school all day and both parents are working
Jan 1st our permit stage goes to 9 mos.
Our 1 person limit will be for a full year. Curfew at 10 on weeknights and 11 on weekends
All of these are 'number bumps'.
What I like better is that parents have to appear in court WITH the teen for a violation like speeding ticket. Violations up the sanction in your age category for 6 mos(so 18 mos without more than one passenger if you get a ticket in year one) No cell use until age 19. Two tickets is mandatory license suspension.
Minnesota definitely needs to get on board but I hope we dont just keep upping the ante on the numbers but put some thought and research into it all
And we are at 42 of the 50 hours; DS3 gets his air cast removed Friday(broke his toe on his 16th birthday)so I expect a busy weekend!
So if there will be a 10/11 curfew on driving, are there exceptions for work or
Michigan's graduated license has a midnight to 5 a.m. driving curfew for teens--unless they are carrying a note from an employer or parent.
The law in MA when our 2 oldest got their licenses was a midnight curfew, permit for 6 months before taking the license test, then for the 1st 6 mos after getting a license, no other passengers under 21 in the car (except siblings) for 6 months.
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