ABORTION!!!

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Registered: 09-19-2009
ABORTION!!!
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Sat, 09-19-2009 - 12:51pm

First and foremost I just wanna say that I am not judging or condemning anyone who has done this or even thinking about it. But I do know that it is not the best decision to make. No matter what the situation is, whether it was because something horrible happened or you can't afford to take care of the baby or you're just not ready, the baby does not deserve to die. There are plenty of people who are more the capable to take of the child for you, but are not able to have children, myself included. Now if you did have an abortion once before its okay, God still loves you and as long as you repent he will forgive you. So if you are thinking of getting an abortion please think about all those women out there who can't have kids, if anything i will take the baby and take care of it. It has been my dream to be a mother but am not able to conceive. So please give the child a chance to live.

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Registered: 04-20-2009
In reply to: tesmith6107
Tue, 10-20-2009 - 12:08pm

We might think that we deserve the right to kill because we are women


That's right. I am continuously thankful for being a woman simply so that I "deserve the right to kill." You hit the nail on the head with that one.


You can rationalize it all you want but there is never a justification for murder.


Hogwash. People are allowed to kill in self defense all the time. If someone breaks into my home and I kill them in fear for my life and the life of my family, it's justified. When my husband killed men who were trying to kill him first while he was a soldier in Iraq, it was justified. And if a z/e/f is causing harm to a pregnant woman, it's justified.

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Registered: 06-24-2009
In reply to: tesmith6107
Tue, 10-20-2009 - 11:46am

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My mother had an abortion when I was a teenager. Should I allow my first grader to go near this murderer?

Also, can you explain why she never came after me or my siblings with a butcher knife, if she's so capable of "murdering" a child?

Also, I'm assuming that you disrespect childbearing so much that you believe that it's not a gift, given out of love, but should be reduced to something forced on a woman. Do you also disrespect marriage in the same way, and promote that it be forced on a woman or girl? After all, if the husband forces himself on a wife, a baby might come of it, and that justifies any and all atrocities (other than death) put on a woman.

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Registered: 01-22-2009
In reply to: tesmith6107
Mon, 10-19-2009 - 3:32pm

Hi again :)

I'm very curious about your stance, and would love to discuss this more with you.

~Abortion is murder plain and simple.~

I gather then that you would never, ever use or advocate for the use of hormonal birth control, which can also end the life of a z/e/f?

~You can rationalize it all you want but there is never a justification for murder.~

Is this something you share with those you know to be on hormonal birth control, or who've aborted due to medical emergency?

I look forward to reading your answers.

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Registered: 02-14-2005
In reply to: tesmith6107
Sun, 10-18-2009 - 8:21pm
Good for you for speaking up.
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Registered: 02-06-2009
In reply to: tesmith6107
Fri, 10-16-2009 - 12:14pm

I agree that religion should not form a part of the abortion debate, or the gay marriage debate, or in fact any debate relative to legal issues.

However people DO bring religion into all those things, so it becomes necessary for those on the pro side to know how to argue on the religious platform :o)

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Registered: 10-06-2009
In reply to: tesmith6107
Thu, 10-15-2009 - 11:51pm

I think we should all pray for tesmith6107.


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Registered: 01-27-2009
In reply to: tesmith6107
Thu, 10-15-2009 - 10:21pm

I think God eventually knows the babe's in the womb for their life whether long or short. He knows them as He knows all of us. But I don't think he chooses whether life lives or dies. So if he didn't cause the little girl with cancer to die, he didn't cause Ms.Jones to get pregnant. It's all cause and effect

iVillage Member
Registered: 02-06-2009
In reply to: tesmith6107
Thu, 10-15-2009 - 5:00am
So you don't believe that every life is ordained by God? You don't agree with the whole 'God knew me in my mother's womb' thing?

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Registered: 01-27-2009
In reply to: tesmith6107
Wed, 10-14-2009 - 10:28pm

I will answer you (since I don't think she will). In Christian doctrine (and Jewish as well) God is not in control right now. When we bit the apple, so to speak, and chose wisdom and knowing right from wrong we chose to be mini-gods. In essence, we told God to screw himself and that we "knew" what was right for us. In his fatherly way, God said sure, go ahead. See how that works out for you.


Oh, in the end it won't matter what suffering occurs now, because it is a tiny blink in the whole picture. Pain will be there, we chose that with our reasoning to be better than God. But it will be short as there are no tears in heaven.


So to answer your question, God shouldn't repent, but US. Because of our selfish need to be better than, smarter than, wiser than God, he threw his hands off for the most part.


Devil? That is a factor, us, that is a factor. God can provide comfort and nudges to help, but no, we are in a state of hell because of how we think we don't need Him. (Imagine the parent with the stubborn toddler screaming to pour his own milk. Eventually, you know he will fail and finally learn, so you say sure. Go ahead. After that the tantrums stop.)


Abortion is also fine for saving the mothers life. We know that for sure (Talmud). What we don't know is for rape or incest or disease. That is a matter of interpretation that could last a million years. But in all cases, I think God would understand and comfort the women who faced the decision to terminate. Even if he wasn't proud, He would understand the heart.


Anyway, I had to provide that since abortion is for some reason tied into GOD all the time. About how he WILL BE SO UPSET. But the truth is, he is also angry

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Registered: 10-11-2005
In reply to: tesmith6107
Sat, 09-26-2009 - 4:02pm

>FORCE SOMEONE TO HAVE A BABY FOR ME!!!

That should have been the title of your post.<

Good one! I just hate these drive bye posters!

~Sam

~~Sam stitches well with others, runs with scissors in her pocket. Cheerful and stupid.

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