Abortions after 30 weeks of pregnancy...

iVillage Member
Registered: 11-24-2006
Abortions after 30 weeks of pregnancy...
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Tue, 12-04-2007 - 11:32am

I am pro-choice, have always been and always will be, but this has really turned my stomach and I get so angry when I think about it.

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iVillage Member
Registered: 04-10-2003
Tue, 12-04-2007 - 5:18pm
Perhaps if elective abortion was permitted women in Spain would have them sooner?

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iVillage Member
Registered: 11-24-2006
Wed, 12-05-2007 - 5:16am
Well as it turns out most of the women having these abortions were not spanish, most were British. And in Spain abortion is legal until I think it is 18 weeks or maybe more, I am not too sure right now. I myself had one and didn´t have any problems whatsoever. I was only 5 weeks along.
iVillage Member
Registered: 06-03-2007
Wed, 12-05-2007 - 6:06am
From the second article you posted, it says that early abortion is only available in Spain after rape, or grave physical or mental danger to the woman. Sounds like a setup to force women to lie about their mental health to gain access to even early procedures. In my mind, once you have that situation and people are made to break the law to have access to even 5 week terminations, it's easier for them to drift into "horror clinics". This would be why we don't see this kind of thing going on in the UK. (that's all blatant conjecture on my part) (for the record, I think that 24 weeks ought to be the cutoff for terminations except in serious medical situations - I'm not supporting what this clinic did, I just think that it's unreasonable to outlaw something like abortion and not expect to drive it underground like that).
iVillage Member
Registered: 11-24-2006
Wed, 12-05-2007 - 2:43pm

"From the second article you posted, it says that early abortion is only available in Spain after rape, or grave physical or mental danger to the woman. Sounds like a setup to force women to lie about their mental health to gain access to even early procedures."


iVillage Member
Registered: 06-03-2007
Wed, 12-05-2007 - 6:42pm
I totally get your point - that people routinely break the law in Spain by exaggerating their mental distress. It's not cool. I think it makes the scene more favorable for people to further break the law by stretching the dates as well as the reasons, leading Brits to fly to Spain to get their illegal, very late-term abortion.
iVillage Member
Registered: 10-15-2007
Sat, 12-22-2007 - 4:31am

Sounds exactly like what is happening in the US. What a surprise.

Women cross state lines all the time to avoid stricter legislation in their home states. Abortionists do all sorts of things to circumvent laws that are in place to protect the unborn. Including just checking the box that says "yes, this woman will suffer health consequences (mental or emotional) if the baby is allowed to be carried to term and delivered alive.

All they have to do is check a box, and have another physician check a box or make a notation in medical files that is not financially tied to the abortionist (haha yeah right). At that point they are able to perform any type of abortion they want to and they are able to circumvent the laws that were put in place to protect the viable unborn.

I say all unborn are viable until ripped from the haven of mother's womb or injected/instilled with deadly chemicals (exception in rare cases of natural fetal demise due to gross abnormalties). Just because a baby cannot live on its own if born prematurely does not make it non-viable. It would be viable if they allowed the pregnancy to continue.

No one ever looks at the women's medical files to check and make sure that the abortuaries are following the law. If a case comes to court, either the medical records are so incomplete that nothing can be determined or the documents are purposefully destroyed prior to seizure of said documents.

There are actually photographs taken of two large, industrial size, mobile shredding units outside of Tiller's Wichita clinic just days before records were to be seized.

What other doctor's have patient medical records destroyed en mass?

iVillage Member
Registered: 03-07-2007
Sat, 12-22-2007 - 9:03am

I look forward to seeing your evidence for all these claims, thanks.

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iVillage Member
Registered: 10-15-2007
Sat, 12-22-2007 - 1:17pm
I see you haven't done your homework and I'm not going to do it for you.
iVillage Member
Registered: 05-06-2007
Sat, 12-22-2007 - 1:47pm

Actually those who post claims are the ones who must provide evidence to support claims. That's how it works on debate boards.

Good luck on *your* homework.

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Registered: 03-07-2007
Sat, 12-22-2007 - 2:09pm

So that's a "no," then, to having objective evidence.

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