Age of Consent?

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Age of Consent?
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Mon, 03-24-2008 - 5:15pm
I noticed that the issue of parental notification/consent and opinions on statutory rape has come up a few times. I thought it might be interesting to get people's opinions on the concept of a legal age of consent. Do you think it's a good thing, or should the gov't not be legislating in this matter? Thoughts?




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Wed, 03-26-2008 - 11:20am

I think that stopping a human heart - in the course of teaching about abortion is a very fair trade off.

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Registered: 03-26-2003
Wed, 03-26-2008 - 12:06pm

>when we explain what that intails - stopping a beating heart or the development of a human being, then I think we are giving all of the information in a real and fair light.<


Do we explain in great detail what the risks are to a young girl who continues a pregnancy? Do we tell her not "it can damage you in a way that causes incontinence" or do we say "it can leave you wearing diapers for life?" You see, you're quibbling about how it's termed not about the information provided. You want terminology that's emotionally laden; we want terminology that is factual only.


>Being a vegatarian is a life style choice.

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Wed, 03-26-2008 - 12:22pm

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Factually, it doesn't stop a beating heart of the development of a human being?

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Wed, 03-26-2008 - 12:38pm

>Factually, it doesn't stop a beating heart of the development of a human being?

Sandy
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Wed, 03-26-2008 - 1:40pm
OK, then facts it will be: An abortion at 5 weeks not only terminates a pregnancy, but also has the secondary effect of causing a VIABLE EMBRYO to die.
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Wed, 03-26-2008 - 2:29pm

"Being a vegatarian is a life style choice. Most children know from a very young age how they feel about animals. It is pretty cut and dry - especially for those children who have lost a pet. They have experienced the loss of that life and seem to understand it better than I think most adults do."

By implying that this is a far different scenario than abortion (i.e. we don't have to talk to kids about this because they already understand), are you saying that women who go through an abortion are not aware that they are ending the life of a human z/e/f?

"I eat meat - but I do not kill animals for pleasure. I take what is needed to sustain my life and only to sustain my life - not out of some twisted pleasure. I don't think most people are killing animals for pleasure - albeit some do."

And? Most women do not have abortions "out of some twisted pleasure" either.

"For the record, we do not use leather products."

You don't have abortions either, but you seem pretty determined that the horror of it be emphasized in education.

"I think that comparing a segmant of human beings to the value of animals has been done many times in history before in order to justify the killing of that group of people and really needs to not be used again."

Oh, brother. Not the "you treat the unborn like slaves" argument again.




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Wed, 03-26-2008 - 2:36pm

"Do we explain in great detail what the risks are to a young girl who continues a pregnancy?"

I had two years of human biology (regular and AP), a semester-long health class in 9th grade and 10th grade, and a full year of child development in 11th grade, which covered pregnancy in depth.

In all of these classes, it was all about what happens inside the uterus. What happened to the owner of that uterus was an absolute mystery to me, and I paid attention in these classes. The only information I got about what happens to the mother during pregnancy came from a girl who was in my Child Development class, who happened to have had a baby eight months earlier.

For some reason, my school system stopped talking about what happened to the woman after implantation. After that, she was just a uterus. I don't think things have changed much on this front since 1995.




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Wed, 03-26-2008 - 2:54pm

"And, as I said - teach them all about that in health and nutritian or in home economics. Sure, take them to ta petting zoo - if that is what you like. And then tell them to go one week without a burger, steak or chicken nugget. I'll bet most will return to their carnivor habbits."

How could this possibly help your argument. What you're saying here is that teaching children that they may be responsible for the death of a living being will almost certainly fall on deaf ears.




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Wed, 03-26-2008 - 2:56pm

"OK, then facts it will be: An abortion at 5 weeks not only terminates a pregnancy, but also has the secondary effect of causing a VIABLE EMBRYO to die.
Fact."

That, of course, would be assuming that classes teaching the mechanics of abortion are not already teaching this.

I'm still waiting for Angil's evidence that anyone providing a curriculum including abortion is implying that it does not end the life of a z/e/f. Since she wants that curriculum to say that, it must be saying something else now. There's no need to change it if it's already in place.




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Wed, 03-26-2008 - 3:54pm

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Very true. Being that I graduated a very pro-life, Catholic girls' high school in 1981, I can't even tell you what most public high schools (or middle schools) are teaching insofar as sex ed.
I know that when Chris started getting the Catholic version in Grade 7 at his parochial school, it was about 2 pages of the facts and mechanics of sex and fertilization and then about 250 more of the Catholic dogma regarding all things sexual- doubt many facts were interspersed in there.

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