Andrea Yates

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Registered: 01-07-2007
Andrea Yates
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Thu, 06-28-2007 - 10:16am

Incredibly tragic, this story. She drowned all five of her children, in case some of you are unaware of the story.

I just found out that after the birth of her fourth child she suffered from depression to the point she tried to commit suicide twice and was hospitalized for PPD. After *recovering* she had another child, number 5.

Would it have been fair to say that she shouldn't have had anymore children, just as a personal opinion? Her husband just made the claim (he's on the Tyra Banks show right now) she had poor medical care with her depression and wished she'd have had better.

Hindsight being 20/20, maybe he's right but what else could have been done? How far should medical professions be able to reach into someone's personal life and dictate what they can and cannot do?

Pro-life people claim that the fetus is a life that deserves to be saved and the law should step in and not allow abortion to take place. What about the saftey of the lives of children already here? Why do some feel it's ok to reach into my uterus and force me to gestate a potential child but we are limited in our actions of saving those children already born?

Wouldn't it make more sense to save the lives of five children rather than fight to save the 'life' of what has yet to become a child?

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Registered: 03-26-2003
In reply to: sandigene
Thu, 06-28-2007 - 10:51am

"Would it have been fair to say that she shouldn't have had anymore children, just as a personal opinion? Her husband just made the claim (he's on the Tyra Banks show right now) she had poor medical care with her depression and wished she'd have had better."

I don't know, but I do believe that her husband bears some responsibility in her condition. He was aware of it and left her alone with the children.

Hmmm, maybe she should have had her tubes tied or used birth control? He could have been instrumental in that decision, as well. Yes, he does bear some responsibility in what happened. Why did he and the rest of the family leave her alone? She looked absolutely horrible. It just doesn't seem right that now she is becoming mentally stable and has to live with what she did and he has gone "on with his life", remarried and planning to start a new family. Karma.

Sue

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Registered: 01-07-2007
In reply to: sandigene
Thu, 06-28-2007 - 11:04am

He's blaming it on lack of adequate medical care, not on himself. I'm not saying he doesn't bear any responsibility, but if the medical professionals said she was ok and she told him she was ok then...

I am also going to speculate that he was instrumental in her becoming pregnant again, meaning maybe he pushed her into it because HE wanted another child and maybe she didn't? Just a thought.

ITA with karma.

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Registered: 08-13-2003
In reply to: sandigene
Thu, 06-28-2007 - 12:10pm
i think part of the problem is PPD was pretty much overlooked until recently. when i had my son 10 yrs ago i was told about the "baby blues". maybe they didn't realize how bad she really was until it was too late. and i do think her husband has some blame in this. if she was so severely depressed why in the world would you leave your babies alone w/ her?

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Registered: 03-26-2003
In reply to: sandigene
Thu, 06-28-2007 - 12:15pm

He's blaming it on lack of adequate medical care, not on himself. I'm not saying he doesn't bear any responsibility, but if the medical professionals said she was ok and she told him she was ok then...

I am also going to speculate that he was instrumental in her becoming pregnant again, meaning maybe he pushed her into it because HE wanted another child and maybe she didn't? Just a thought.

ITA with karma."

The thing is that she wouldn't know if she was ok if she wasn't ok....and if he wanted another child then he is the one responsible...I mean she looked horrible in those family photos...and a person who is sick doesn't know they are sick, do they? I think alot of it was their religion and I think he guilted her into having another child when mentally and physically, she shouldn't have had one...and as far as her doctor...he probably thought she was ok..and probably thought she was taking the meds he had prescribed for her....I don't know for sure...but Rusty didn't wait long to divorce her, did he? I don't know...he just didn't seem to take much responsibility in the whole thing, IMO.

I'm not sticking up for the lady drowing her children..she knew it was wrong...that's why she called the police, etc...but he knew she wasn't right, also..he should have gotten her some help...at least a babysitter or a VACATION!!!! Something.

Sue

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Registered: 01-07-2007
In reply to: sandigene
Thu, 06-28-2007 - 12:34pm

I agree and women have been dealing with PPD for a long time. If she tried to commit suicied twice between her 4th and 5th pregnancy and was hospitalized for PPD then how could ANYONE not know how bad it was?

As far as her husband is concerned, when dealing with some who has depression it can sometimes be difficult to tell how far gone someone is. I mean, look at what you said, you were told it was 'baby blues' and people probably treated it very lightly. There are LOTS of signs to depression and you have to admit that MOST men aren't so observant when it comes to things like this.

I'm not at all saying he doesn't have some responsibility in this, I just am not sure how much.

The point is, could this have been prevented and who's responsibility is it to save those children? Is it anyone's? Is it fate? Should medical professionals have intervened and taken her kids? Should she have been put on BC or had her tubes tied so she couldn't have more kids?

Pro life people talk about giving the unborn a 'voice' or about saving them. What about the Yates kids? Who was their voice? Should there be laws that take 'choice' away from the mother of born children?

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Registered: 11-18-2005
In reply to: sandigene
Fri, 06-29-2007 - 7:55am

Her dh is full of CRAP! SHe was told after her THIRD child and was suffering from depression to be careful. After her fourth she was told no way!

However, her dh in all his wisdom (of a peanut shell) told her that if "god wanted them to have more childrne than that's that). The doctors warned him that she could snap if she had more childrne and HE ignored them. Her friends and family told him that she was exhausted after their fifth and completely depressed. He is a control freak! She homeschooled and took care of the house and kids. According to him, that was her job. He couldhave cared less about her.

The biggest injustice here is that the dh was never arrested!

Sorry, this case always gets me going. It was just an avoidable tragedy.

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Registered: 11-18-2005
In reply to: sandigene
Fri, 06-29-2007 - 7:56am
Her religion (or more correctly his religious beliefs) would not allow birth control.
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Registered: 11-18-2005
In reply to: sandigene
Fri, 06-29-2007 - 7:57am

They *never* said she was okay. That came out in the trial. They were warned repeatedly that she was not okay.

He choose to use religion to cover up the fact that he is a creep.

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Registered: 11-18-2005
In reply to: sandigene
Fri, 06-29-2007 - 7:58am
Her condition went beyond PPD. She had PPP which is a lot more severe. He knew it and choose to ignore it.
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Registered: 11-18-2005
In reply to: sandigene
Fri, 06-29-2007 - 8:01am

Okay, my last post on this b/c I could go on forever...lol!

She was not aware of what she was doing. She had PPP. She had a psychotic break. Once the source of her depression (in her mind the children she was "saving" from the devil) was gone, she sort of have a lucid moment and called the police. Who kows what she was thikning?

PPP is so complex (like most mental illnesses) and it is not that black and white.

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