Another qestion for pro lifers that vax

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Another qestion for pro lifers that vax
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Wed, 10-15-2008 - 7:57pm

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Tue, 10-21-2008 - 1:42am

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Tue, 10-21-2008 - 2:03am

But ... there is no human fetal tissue in vaccines.

This appears to be more of a "If you are pro-life then do you believe stem cell research is right" ... That website (http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/abortedtissue.htm) states "grown on aborted fetal tissue" ... but it isn't being grown on tissue, it is being grown on cell lines that were made using aborted fetal tissue which is why it is called a "diploid cell" on those package inserts.

cell line
A group of cells containing the entire genetic code of an individual; these cells can be sustained and grown in laboratory culture media and are believed to be immortal.
http://www.enotes.com/biomedical-ethics-article/glossary

diploid cell
A cell that contains two sets of chromosomes (one set donated from each parent). http://biology.about.com/library/glossary/bldefdiploid.htm

That same website has a letter from Dr. Robert Breiman that states "Fetal tissue has not been used to produce licensed vaccines. These tissues were used to establish cell cultures, and it is these established cell cultures that have been used to propagate virus."

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Tue, 10-21-2008 - 8:30am

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Wed, 10-22-2008 - 4:17am

Yep, I'm a stalker :p

I have this theory that if someone puts up a "Follow Me" Blinky then they are just asking to be stalked :)

Almost like my theory that if people want me to go to their garage sales then they will either have them at a house on a major road or put up 20 million signs with arrows to lead me to them :p

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Wed, 10-22-2008 - 5:29pm

Just more hyperbole....

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"The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift."
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"The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." ~Albert Einstein
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Wed, 10-22-2008 - 6:13pm
Are you talking about the original meaning of this thread or my reply? I'm pretty sure mine was not in any way over-exaggerated ...

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Wed, 10-22-2008 - 9:13pm
Not you:) The original post:)
"The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift."
~Albert Einstein
"The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." ~Albert Einstein
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Wed, 10-22-2008 - 10:57pm
If

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Wed, 10-22-2008 - 11:21pm

I'm pro-choice and don't believe in vaccinations anyway :p

It is just alarming to hear "There is fetal tissue in vaccines".

From what I have read, yes, there have been 2 abortions (2 out of like only you know who knows how many) that have been used to help create the vaccines.

When a fetus/embryo is aborted then they are "disposed" of and not placed into a vaccine (which is how it seemed to have sounded). There would be numerous health risks in that, including possible AIDS/HIV infections being spread and all kinds of other wonderful blood borne illnesses/diseases.

I am pro-choice because I believe every woman was given a brain to make her own informed decisions and that those decisions are the right decisions for her.

When it comes down to it, 2 fetus' were "killed" and this resulted in scientists being able to make vaccines that could help to protect the lives of millions upon millions of children (and adults) worldwide. If I were pro-life and vaccinated, then I would just remember that those two fetus' were aborted back in 1960, there is nothing I can do about it now and no more are being killed and "placed in vaccines".

They aren't taking these fetus', chopping them up, and throwing them into a giant vat of viruses to make our vaccines, they aren't even using the fetus at all anymore. Just cells that were grown from the fetus.

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Thu, 10-23-2008 - 12:18am

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/medical_ethics/me0044.html

In the United States, 10 different vaccines for chicken pox, hepatitis A, polio, rabies, and rubella are cultured on aborted tissue from two fetal cell lines known as WI-38 and MRC-5. These vaccines are Varivax (chicken pox), Havrix (hep-A), Vaqta (hep-A), Twinrix (hep-A/hep-B), Poliovax (polio), Imovax (rabies), Meruvax II (rubella), MR-VAX (measles/rubella), Biavax II (mumps/rubella), and MMR II (measles/mumps/rubella). Alternative, pro-life vaccines are available in this country for all but the chicken pox, hepatitis A, and rubella inoculations.

The WI-38 "human-diploid" cell culture was developed in July 1962 from a "therapeutically aborted" three-month-old girl. "WI" is an acronym used by the Wistar Institute, an aggressive proponent of embryonic stem cell research. The August 1969 issue of the American Journal of Diseases of Children explains WI-38 was taken from a voluntary abortion performed in Sweden: "This fetus was chosen by Dr. Sven Gard, specifically for this purpose . Both parents are known, and unfortunately for the story, they are married to each other, still alive and well, and living in Stockholm, presumably. The abortion was done because they felt they had too many children."

MRC-5 is derived from the lung tissue of a 14-week-old baby boy. MRC stands for Medical Research Council, a research center funded by British taxpayers. According to Coriell Cell Repositories, "The MRC-5 cell line was developed in September 1966 from lung tissue taken from a 14-week fetus aborted for psychiatric reasons from a 27-year-old physically healthy woman."

Development of the rubella vaccine actually involved not one, but 28 abortions. Twenty-seven abortions were performed to isolate the virus and one abortion (WI-38) to culture the vaccine. The vaccine's strain is called RA 27/3 (R=Rubella, A=Abortus, 27=27th fetus tested, 3=3rd tissue explanted). Rubella, or "German measles," is usually a harmless childhood disease. Ironically, rubella is most dangerous for preborn infants, who have a 20 to 25 percent chance of contracting congenital rubella syndrome if their mothers catch rubella during the first trimester. Scientists at the Wistar Institute took advantage of the 1964-65 rubella epidemic to legally acquire fetal tissue from at least 27 so-called therapeutic abortions conducted on women at risk for rubella. Since the live virus was not detected until the 27th abortion, the preceding 26 abortions were apparently performed on perfectly healthy babies. By contrast, Japanese researchers obtained a live virus by swabbing the throat of an infected child. (...)


Many ethicists, including the bishops, believe these vaccines are distinguishable from other types of fetal tissue research because they "use self-perpetuating cell lines." The cultures that produce these vaccines, however, are not immortal. All normal cells possess a finite lifespan known as the "Hayflick limit." After about 50 divisions, WI-38 and MRC-5 will be exhausted. If, when this day comes, pharmaceutical companies know they can create new cultures from aborted tissue without loss of profit, they will certainly do so because aborted fetal tissue is easier to use and more economical to obtain than other culture mediums. The pharmaceutical industry, in fact, has already developed an additional vaccine culture derived from the "socially indicated," elective abortion of an 18-week-old baby. PER.C6, as the culture is called, is currently being tested for use with at least seven new vaccines.



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Edited 10/23/2008 12:21 am ET by mousakittie

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