Another qestion for pro lifers that vax

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Another qestion for pro lifers that vax
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Wed, 10-15-2008 - 7:57pm

~Heather

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Thu, 10-23-2008 - 1:24am
I think this is an interesting topic and, to be honest, I don't care at all what they do with aborted fetal remains or embryonic tissue. But I am curious if you know of any other websites that back up what you're saying. I'm not trying to say you aren't right or anything because I honestly don't know, but that website doesn't seem completely unbiased to me.

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Thu, 10-23-2008 - 2:30am

<<<http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/medical_ethics/me0044.html>>>

I will honestly say that I passed this site over the first time because it is a religiously oriented site. I have never found non biased information on a religious website. Because of the fact that I obviously don't sleep, I went ahead and read it just now (since you copy and pasted it :p)

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We have really got to get away from the "aborted fetal tissue" wording. They contradict themselves in their own sentence. It can not be a fetal cell line AND aborted tissue. Aborted tissue would be tissue that came out of the pregnant woman, however, they are not disecting this fetus (which I doubt would last for 40 years if they did) over and over again. All cells being used to make cultures have been derived from the original cells removed from their respectful fetus'.

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Eh, close enough to 1960 :) The links I posted earlier show this same information. I am still unsure how it is that the parents are "unfortunately" married to eachother ...

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Also information provided in the links I posted earlier.

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This would be new information, thank you for bringing it up. Still, 28 abortions, all performed because the woman chose them (most likely for fear of complications from contracting rubella during pregnancy) and then the doctors chose those particular aborted fetus' (for the same reason the mother aborted). There really isn't much thought here, the fetus' were already dead and their bodies donated to science, in a sense (If I didn't mind people poking and prodding me, I might would donate my own body for science when I die as well). Most pro-life people will stand up and say that they are ok with abortion when the baby is destined to die or the mothers life is at risk. At the same time, some make exceptions for those that are not likely to have a good quality of life.

"Babies who are infected with rubella during the first 20 weeks of pregnancy develop congenital rubella syndrome (CRS), in which they can end up with a variety of problems, including deafness, blindness, heart defects, mental retardation, growth deficits, and a host of other disorders."
http://www.babycenter.com/0_rubella-german-measles-during-pregnancy_9527.bc?page=2

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Other than this one, Catholic, website, I have seen no mention of the Hayflick Limit in regards to the cells used for the cultures needed to create vaccines.

Many stem cells, as they are undifferentiated, are not affected by the Hayflick limit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayflick_limit

This new "Per.C6" was obtained from the Retina of an aborted fetus and is also immortal. http://www.crucell.com/Description
http://www.eyeintegrated.com/percivia/PERC6Brochure.pdf

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On a side note ... all of this research will hopefully come in handy some day for my speech class :p

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Thu, 10-23-2008 - 1:23pm
Well I think the other poster has done a good job of finding less or un

~Heather

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Thu, 10-23-2008 - 2:25pm

I can understand the use of a pro-life website to show the "other side's" point of view, especially if there aren't any pro-lifers here willing to answer the question. And I agree with you on being skeptical of vaccines.


About pro-lifers vaccinating, I think it's the same reason that a lot of them would never consider adopting an unwanted child themselves. It's really easy to tell other people that abortion is wrong, but when it comes to taking care of the born children who don't have homes or not vaccinating their own children, it's a lot harder to keep that pro-life stance. Obviously, that doesn't go for everyone, but that thought has crossed my mind.


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Thu, 10-23-2008 - 3:23pm

How strange ... it is the pro-choicers who choose not to vaccinate :p

I don't trust medicine in general, for any purpose. As an example, Tylenol scares me to no end.

I welcome any and all new information on vaccines, as I like to be able to argue with doctors effectively :) The way vaccines were grown was something I actually did not know before and reading all of the information and doing research has def. helped my mind grow :)


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Thu, 10-23-2008 - 3:26pm
i laughed at the tylenol comment. I feel the same way. I find it curious that doctors advocate taking tylenol prior to vaccinating.

~Heather

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Fri, 10-24-2008 - 7:40am

>>I can understand the use of a pro-life website to show the "other side's" point of view, especially if there aren't any pro-lifers here willing to answer the question. And I agree with you on being skeptical of vaccines.<<

really I thought I did answer the question.

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Fri, 10-24-2008 - 9:46am
Oops, you're right. It had been a couple of days since I read the entire thread and I forgot you responded.

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Fri, 10-24-2008 - 10:25am
That's ok considering I occasionally skim I will let it pass ;)
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Tue, 01-13-2009 - 2:40am

Tylenol (acetaminophen)