Anyone else get to see this ad???

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Anyone else get to see this ad???
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Thu, 11-06-2003 - 6:35pm

Obviously PCers are not above using scare tactics.

Kim mom to Brad, Matt, Emma, Sarah, and Meagan

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Thu, 11-06-2003 - 8:08pm
Isn't that ridiculous!! I haven't seen that particular one, but I remember one during election time where women were walking around in complete terror because "Roe v. Wade could be overturned" (if Bush was elected) with scenes of the police dragging women off in police cars. COME ON!! Especially when they are perpetuating an outright LIE in regard to the health exception, I've evn heard the media say "no exception for a women's LIFE" as if a PBA would be the only procedure that could save a women's life. Off topic a bit- but doesn't it seem a little ironic that such concern is placed on future reproduction in the process of killing one's offspring?

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Thu, 11-06-2003 - 8:14pm
Yes, it does...I remember the ad during the 2000 election where the mother and daughter are having wonderful together time...and the commercial is talking about how wonderful it is that her daughter will have "choice"...and then the little girl wistfully rides off on her bike. The ad forgot to mention that at one time that's all that little girl was...a choice.
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Thu, 11-06-2003 - 8:20pm
Um, no, she was a fertilized egg that became a child. Would you have liked it better if they had an ad of "concerned" parents taking a terrified teen into the hospital during a labor she never wanted?

The ad you were talking about pretty much nails it. No doubt some parents have no qualms about their daughters not having choices (*all* choices, not just the choice to give birth or hey, the choice to give birth) but to many of us it reflects a valid point.

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Thu, 11-06-2003 - 8:33pm
Haven't seen it but had heard about it. The exception is to protect the woman's life, Munch, not health.

You know, Bushie boy has really been courting the PLs (although if one of his twins needed a PBA, you bet your life it would happen) and I'm guessing that since the sensationalism worked so well on Congress, that PCs are taking a page out of the PL book.

I don't necessarily agree with it but since I have yet to see the ad, I'll wait to comment on it until I do.

KJ

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Fri, 11-07-2003 - 7:50am

If they had written it as health, then it would be a worthless bill because that's what we already have.

Kim mom to Brad, Matt, Emma, Sarah, and Meagan

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Fri, 11-07-2003 - 8:27am
ita with you...I keep hearing that a a child of a Pcer is "just a choice"
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Fri, 11-07-2003 - 8:32am
I have not seen the aid and i have not heard about it until now...honestly i dont really see anything as a scare tactic...who knows i really cant say since i did not actually see it and your explanation did not provide for me a scare tatic or propeganda...that does not mean that it is not there or not true, however....
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Fri, 11-07-2003 - 10:02am
Munch, first of all, I hope I didn't sound too harsh last night. I probably shouldn't post when I'm tired. Come to think of it, today it's tired, cramping AND had a bad morning with Abby, so I most likely shouldn't even be reading the board, LOL!

Like I said, I haven't seen the ad yet. But let me ask you this, you really think a woman with a healthy fetus is waiting 20 odd weeks and then going in and saying can you do an abortion in this particular way because I don't want to break a nail? I know that's hyperbole but I am flummoxed at how health is just not supposed to matter. When did it become so trivial? And I will repeat, because I don't want it forgotten, that I am NOT necessarily defending the procedure. I don't think there is enough CLEAR info for this bill to stick.

And your point about people not reading the bill also applies to people not knowing what it's all about. When has the point been made repeatedly and loudly about the *details* of the safety of the mother. 70% of the population is against it because has been made to sound like A) it happens all the time and B) it happens for whimsical reasons.

Also, this bill has *always* had more riding on it than that one procedure. PCs know it and PLs are counting on it. You must have realized that it was going to be a gloves-off moment if it went through.

FWIW, I agree with the assessment you made earlier. PLs need to stop with over-the-top emotionalism and hyperbole (and I *really* do not want to see PCs start stooping to this in a tit for tat move) and PCs need to clear up what is most needed.

KJ

ps.I know that the Bush comment was asking for trouble but it literally sickens me to hear him talk about a "culture of life" when he is responsible for leading so many of our citizens into daily bloodshed. Bush is Pro-Bush. That's it.

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Fri, 11-07-2003 - 10:03am

  • Is there a provision/excpetion for the mother's health AS determined by her physician?

  • Do you deny that PLers would like to see abortions illegal & are working to that end?

I see no more sensationalism/emotionalism than is emplyed by PLers in say "The Silent Scream", etc.

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Fri, 11-07-2003 - 10:14am
Sue, I wanted to clarify a couple things about my post. When I used the example about the teen going to labor, I meant that as an example of sensationalism and propaganda that, even if PC, *I* don't want to see because I don't respect it. I don't respect it when it comes from PLs and I won't respect it if it starts happening with PCs.

However, you have always taken the line that you don't want anyone messing with your daughter when it comes to choices concerning sex and reproduction. So I find the comments about this commercial puzzling.

Many women ARE PC because they don't want their daughter's future and health decided by strangers.

Are you trying to make the claim that PCs don't care about their children? What makes PC concern some how LESS valid than yours?

KJ

ps. I wasn't able to post at leisure last night because Abby crossed that line from playing happily in the living room to screaming over-tired demon in the space of literally 5 min.

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