Ball State abortion activism group

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Wed, 08-26-2009 - 12:07pm

Since it's been slow lately, I went looking for some news articles and found this.

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Thu, 08-27-2009 - 5:13pm

I am not going to hold my breath when it comes to "pro-life" groups. I do not see these groups marching on Washington DC to protest the federal death penalty. Nor do I see these "pro-life" groups marching in those US state capitals where the death penalty is used.

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Tue, 09-01-2009 - 11:49am

<<"We aren't trying to say that our way is the only way. We just want people to know that they have options," she said. >>

The only alternative to abortion is continuing the pregnancy, and vice verca.

Women know about the continuing pregnancy option - if they didn't they wouldn't be seeking an abortion.

I'm curious to know how they find these women who are "uncertain" about "their option" to give birth.

And I have to wonder if they got their new funding from any of the groups that pretty much shut the door on pregnant women unless they agree to relinquish a child for adoption:

Shotgun Adoption

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090914/joyce

"Compared with pre-Roe days, today women with unplanned pregnancies have access to far more information about their alternatives. However, Fessler says, they frequently encounter CPCs that pressure them to give the child to a family with better resources. "Part of the big picture for a young woman who's pregnant," she says, "is that there are people holding out their hand, but the price of admission is giving up your child. If you decide to keep your child, it's as if you're lost in the system, whereas people fight over you if you're ready to surrender. There's an organization motivated by a cause and profit. It's a pretty high price to pay: give away your first-born, and we'll take care of you for six months."
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"Bethany Adoption services guided Jordan through the Medicaid application process and in April moved her in with home-schooling parents outside Myrtle Beach. There, according to Jordan, the family referred to her as one of the agency's "birth mothers"--a term adoption agencies use for relinquishing mothers that many adoption reform advocates reject--although she hadn't yet agreed to adoption. "I felt like a walking uterus for the agency," says Jordan.

Jordan was isolated in the shepherding family's house; her only social contact was with the agency, which called her a "saint" for continuing her pregnancy but asked her to consider "what's best for the baby." "They come on really prolife: look at the baby, look at its heartbeat, don't kill it. Then, once you say you won't kill it, they ask, What can you give it? You have nothing to offer, but here's a family that goes on a cruise every year."




Edited 9/1/2009 11:52 am ET by mom_carmina
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Mon, 09-07-2009 - 11:55pm
Murder means to kill another human. Abortion is Murder. It's the wrost type of murder because you are killing someone that is completely innocent and cannot defend itself. In the bible, before Jesus was born, he was mentioned as an infant. So if you wouldn't harm a baby after it's born, why would anyone try to kill it before it is born. Abortion is the most selfish action that any one could ever do, and if you don't want the responsability of a child, than you shouldn't go around having sex.
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Tue, 09-08-2009 - 12:37am

Sarah, welcome to the board :)

~Murder means to kill another human. Abortion is Murder.~

Do you consider killing the z/e/f by means of using hormonal birth control (for ex. the Pill) to be "murder"?

Or killing a prisoner via the death penalty to be "murder"? Or a soldier killing an enemy soldier?

I am trying to ascertain as to where you draw the line, so am asking.

~It's the wrost type of murder because~

To clarify for you, given your referencing of the Bible, that's not what's said there.

Instead, we learn from Exodus 21:22 that while a fetus has value it does not have the value of a born person. That's why when a woman is attacked and miscarries the attacker just pays a fine, but if she's killed he is killed.

Also, the Talmud (on which the Old Testament was based) allows for abortions if the life of the mother is in peril.

I'm wondering why, since abortion was legal under the Romans, didn't the Bible ever specifically speak against it.

~Abortion is the most selfish action that any one could ever do, and if you don't want the responsability of a child, than you shouldn't go around having sex.~

I'm curious if you say that to women about using the Pill or an IUD, both of which also can kill fertilized ovum? Have you ever been on hormonal birth control?

eta Personally, I aborted a planned and wanted pregnancy due to medical emergency. Please reconsider before passing judgment. TIA.




Edited 9/8/2009 8:53 am ET by oh_kate
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Tue, 09-08-2009 - 8:59am

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Your religious views have no business in my health care.

<<. Abortion is the most selfish action that any one could ever do, and if you don't want the responsability of a child, than you shouldn't go around having sex.>>

If I had a nickel for every time a PLer told me this.....LOL!

So again, I will reiterate that after living in this body for nearly 46 years, waiting until I was ON birth control for a month before having sex at age 17½ with my boyfriend of TWO years, and using birth control to successfully prevent conception since I was 17, and deliberately conceiving each and every one of my 6 pregnancies, and only having had sexual relations with the man who is now my husband of 24 years, I will firmly and decisively reject your offer of advice. Quite seriously, I have no compelling reason whatsoever to grant that *YOU* are qualified to give me that advice;-) I have been uber-responsible- and 100% effective in contraception as well as conception for TWENTY-NIE YEARS- and if my current form of birth control should fail, I will retain my right to choose to abort, TYVM. I will also fully reject the odd notion of abstaining from sex. After 24 years, our relationship is as lusty as it is loving, and it would be an egregious insult to our marriage as well as the god and goddess to deliberately reject a gift such as that ;-)

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Tue, 09-08-2009 - 1:00pm

First off, welcome to the debate.

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Wed, 09-09-2009 - 1:23am

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Wed, 09-09-2009 - 4:16am

Are you aware that the Bible treats the death of a fetus as a minor

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Wed, 09-09-2009 - 4:17am


My understanding is that

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Wed, 09-09-2009 - 4:22am

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