Bishop bars Kennedy from communion

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Bishop bars Kennedy from communion
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Sun, 11-22-2009 - 12:08pm

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/11/22/paper-bishop-bars-kennedy-from-communion/

November 22, 2009
Paper: Bishop bars Kennedy from communion
Posted: November 22nd, 2009 09:48 AM ET

Washington (CNN) – Rep. Patrick J. Kennedy, A Rhode Island Democrat, said the Roman Catholic bishop of Providence has forbidden him from receiving communion due to his support for abortion rights, the Providence Journal reported on its Web site Sunday.

Kennedy said Providence Bishop Thomas J. Tobin "instructed me not to take communion and said that he has instructed the diocesan priests not to give me communion," the paper reported.

The report said a spokesman for Tobin declined to comment on whether the bishop told Kennedy not to receive communion. According to the report, the spokesman denied that Tobin ordered any priests to refuse Kennedy the fundamental Catholic sacrament.

The item was posted on the 46th anniversary of the assassination of Kennedy's uncle, John F. Kennedy, the nation's first Catholic president.

Patrick Kennedy recently opposed the strengthening of anti-abortion language in the House health care bill. He later supported the final version of the bill, which included tough language on the use of federal money for abortions.

Kennedy is the last member of his family serving in Congress after the death this year of his father, Sen. Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts. The Kennedys have been the most prominent Catholic family in U.S. politics for the past 60 years.

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Registered: 10-06-2004
Sun, 11-22-2009 - 12:50pm

If it wasn't for my wonderful parish priest, who spends his life ministering to the inner-city poor and NEVER harps on birth control or abortion, I would be long gone. The Church is filled with far too many self-aggrandizing a**es these days and not enough true priests.

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Registered: 06-04-2004
Sun, 11-22-2009 - 4:10pm

A more in-depth article about this issue:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/11/22/kennedy.abortion/index.html

Bishop bars Patrick Kennedy from Communion over abortion
November 22, 2009 2:36 p.m. EST

Washington (CNN) -- Rhode Island's top Roman Catholic leader has asked Rep. Patrick Kennedy to stop taking Communion over his support for abortion rights, the diocese said Sunday.

In a statement issued Sunday, Providence Bishop Thomas Tobin said he told Kennedy in February 2007 that it would be "inappropriate" for him to continue receiving the fundamental Catholic sacrament, "and I now ask respectfully that you refrain from doing so."

Kennedy is the son of the late Massachusetts Sen. Edward Kennedy and a scion of the most prominent Catholic family in modern U.S. politics.

The Roman Catholic Church strongly opposes abortion, which has been legal across the United States since 1973. The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops lobbied for tight restrictions on federal funding of abortion in the health care bill the House of Representatives passed earlier this month.

Kennedy opposed a provision that restricted the use of federal money for abortions, but voted in favor of final passage of the bill that included that language.

In an interview published Sunday, he told the Providence Journal that Tobin had barred him from receiving Communion and instructed priests in the diocese not to administer the sacrament "because of the positions that I've taken as a public official."

In his statement, issued in response to the Kennedy interview, Tobin said his advice to the congressman was "pastoral and confidential," and he was surprised that Kennedy chose to discuss it publicly.

"I am disappointed that the congressman would make public my request of nearly three years ago that sought to provide solely for his spiritual well-being," he said.

In an October interview, Kennedy criticized the bishops for threatening to oppose the overall bill if it did not include those restrictions. That prompted Tobin to call Kennedy's position "unacceptable to the church and scandalous to many of our members."

Tobin said Sunday only that he asked Kennedy not to take Communion.

"I have no desire to continue the discussion of Congressman Kennedy's spiritual life in public," he said. "At the same time, I will absolutely respond publicly and strongly whenever he attacks the Catholic Church, misrepresents the teachings of the church or issues inaccurate statements about my pastoral ministry."

The latest exchange was comes on the 46th anniversary of the assassination of Kennedy's uncle, John F. Kennedy, the nation's first Catholic president. Patrick Kennedy is the last member of his family serving in Congress.

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Mon, 11-23-2009 - 4:15am

What are the rules with communion? Are you only allowed to take it if you're sin-free? (funny, I don't remember reading that in the Biblical Last Supper account)

If not, why deny it to any baptised Catholic?

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Registered: 05-02-2006
Mon, 11-23-2009 - 1:34pm

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Heh, if that was the case then none of us would ever be able to take communion - not even the priests!


I am a Eucharistic Minister in my church and what they told us is that who ever comes forward to receive communion, gets communion.

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Mon, 11-23-2009 - 5:44pm

Why? Technically he can be excommunicated fo supporting abortion. In that case, he'd be denied each and every sacrament.

I'm a born-again pagan, former and recovering Catholic, so obviously I do not support the Church's stance. But I do understand their stance and as such, those people are not supposed to receive communion as they have mortal sin on their souls and that can't be absolved during the Penitential Rites.

http://www.catholicdoors.com/faq/qu31.htm
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A. It can be denied under the following circumstances:

1. The Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist cannot be administered to members of other religions, and

2. The Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist cannot be administered to those who voluntarily continue to live in grave sin.

Q. 4. Where does it teach in the Catholic Church that the Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist cannot be administered to those who voluntarily continue to live in grave sin?

A. This reference is found in Canon Law # Canon Law # 915.

Canon 915 Those upon whom the penalty of excommunication or interdict has been imposed or declared, and others who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin, are not to be admitted to holy communion.

Q. 5. Is this supported by the Holy Bible?

A. Yes, in the First Letter to the Corinthians, it states:

"Whoever, therefore, eats the bread and drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworhty manner will be answerable for the body and blood of the Lord. Examine yourselves, and only then eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For all who eat and drink without discerning the body, eat and drink judgment against themselves."

The non-Catholics are unworthy of receiving the Body and Blood of Christ because they do not believe in the teachings of the Holy Catholic Church, nor in the real Presence of the Lord Jesus in the Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist.

Catholics who live in grave sin, such as in common-law relationship, practicing homosexuals, those who have not been to Church, nor received the Sacraments for over a year, etc... are unworthy of receiving the Body and Blood of Christ because they are not in a state of grace.

Q. 6. Is there not the danger of causing a public scandal by denying someone the Holy Communion?

A. As a general rule, giving the person the benefit of the doubt, the priest will not deny the Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist. (This is not saying that the administration of the Sacrament was permitted. The person who receives the Body and Blood of Christ in an unworthy manner shall still be answerable to God.) Following the administration of the Sacrament, the priest is obligated before God, as a representative of the Holy Catholic Church and by conscience to meet with the person in private, to identify the state of the person's soul and to explain the teachings of the Church regarding the administration of the Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist.

Should it be identified that the person is not in a state of grace, he/she will be notified that unless he/she changes his/her way of life, sincerely repent and receive the Sacrament of Confession, future administration of the Sacrament of the Holy Communion will be denied.

Should the person persist on approaching the Altar to receive the Sacrament of Holy Communion after having been warned and the priest is absolutely sure that the person has not repented of his/her sins, then, the priest is obligated to deny the person the Sacrament.

Should the person create a scene after having been warned, it shall not be the priest, but rather the person, who shall be responsible for creating the public scandal that draws attention to his/her status before God.>>

Supporting abortion falls under that umbrella.

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Mon, 11-23-2009 - 6:07pm

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" - isn't that how it goes? Maybe the Catholic Church should worry less about parishoners who might be pro-choice, and more about covering up for the clergy who abuse children.

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Tue, 11-24-2009 - 6:14am

IMO the church has done nothing wrong. I am not even catholic and I know how they feel about abortion. They have the right to run their church as they see fit barring physical harm to members.

He knew how the catholic church felt about abortion, made a choice to go against their beliefs and they have a right to withhold services.

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Tue, 11-24-2009 - 9:56am

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I think this part addresses what I was getting at.

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Tue, 12-01-2009 - 11:51am
Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia is pro-death penalty, but I have never heard anyone discuss denying him communion.
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Tue, 12-01-2009 - 12:08pm

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So simply voting to support the constitutionally-based law of the land, as per his JOB as a legislator in a secular government, he is unworthy to receive communion.

Wouldn't that extend to physicians that work for a health organization or hospital that provides or funds abortions?

what about Justice Antonin Scalia, who has stated his support of state sanctioned killing of born persons - the death penalty? I have heard nothing of him being rejected for communion.

What about those congregants that vote for those lawmakers - the ones that gave Kennedy the power to do what he did? Are they also just as fallen from grace?




Edited 12/1/2009 12:21 pm ET by mom_carmina

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