Can Fetus Feel Pain?

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Can Fetus Feel Pain?
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Fri, 05-22-2009 - 11:17pm

If so, at what point in time - at 6 weeks, 12 weeks, 15 weeks..?

(I posted this question a while back but never checked in to see the response)

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Registered: 04-10-2003
Tue, 05-26-2009 - 4:57pm

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Been there, done that. Not with a 24 wk old tho, LOL.

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12 wk olds do not have the neural connections to feel pain. There's a big difference there.

<< If there is any doubt, shouldn't we err on the side of caution and provide pain relief?>>

That would depend on whether the administration constituted risk or discomfort to the woman, IMHO.

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Registered: 08-22-2006
Tue, 05-26-2009 - 9:06pm

Benadryl is an antihistamine, not a narcotic. I'm just posting non-biased facts. I don't know where the fetus/ 6 year old comparison came from. Obviously narcotics cause the fetus to move less, which means it can't feel as much. Nope pain killers are given because its been recorded time after time that a fetus given pain relief isn't as stressed during the procedure being performed, less movement, and the heart rate is lower. However its also been recorded a 5 week old embryo will move away from certain stimuli and towards others. Another can of worms, because how does it know to move away? This is also the same time brainwaves can start being recorded, meaning its not brain dead.

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Registered: 08-22-2006
Tue, 05-26-2009 - 9:12pm
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12 wk olds do not have the neural connections to feel pain. There's a big difference there.>>>


Review my previous post on this board with the Women's Right to Know, one of the 12 week gov't issued, health department approved, Planned Parenthood reviewed info listed is that at 12 weeks all neural connections are there. Its not real to say that no information exists contradicting your statement.


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That would depend on whether the administration constituted risk or discomfort to the woman, IMHO. >>


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Registered: 01-15-2008
Wed, 05-27-2009 - 1:56am

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My point still stands. Both drugs can be and are frequently used for other then thier intended purpose.



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Wed, 05-27-2009 - 5:14am

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Registered: 04-10-2003
Wed, 05-27-2009 - 8:23am

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And as I said, there's a big difference between 20-28 wks fetuses and 12 wk. T is yet conjecture on their parts, and I tend to believe the much more detailed studies I have provided.

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It is secondary to the choice of the woman and the methods she has chosen to employ in the termination.

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AS long as valid studies and data are used and both sides of the expert opinions are offered. IOW- present all the "maybes" you want.

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Registered: 08-15-2008
Wed, 05-27-2009 - 9:19am

Honestly, I don't really care about fetal pain.

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Registered: 04-19-2006
Wed, 05-27-2009 - 12:09pm

>>Ever speak to anyone who has spent time in a NICU (as a parent, etc.) and they will tell you without question that they feel pain/respond to painful stimuli.<<

I spent ten weeks in NICU with DS2 and she has definitely talked to me so I would say the answer is yes.

>> If there is any doubt, shouldn't we err on the side of caution and provide pain relief?<<

Absolutely. At 24 DS was capable of feeling pain as evidenced by his reactions to hings going on that he couldn't see, ie if a needle was blocked by his view. However D who was in the isolette next to him and the same age could not. AN who was born at 23 weeks could but Am could not and she was born at 25. Based on personal experience I would say there are some developmental discrepancies (of a few weeks) where it would be possible so we should err on the side of caution after about 20 weeks in case one is super advanced in hat area of their development.

>>Even a 12 week old fetus will respond to painful stimuli.<<

I have seen no solid proof either medical or anecdotal of that so I think that is going a bit overboard. I was 9 weeks along when we aborted my ectopic and fetal pain relief was a non issue because it was impossible for them to feel pain. If it is not possible at all there is no reason to waste medical resources.

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Wed, 05-27-2009 - 3:27pm
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Wed, 05-27-2009 - 3:32pm

~I'd like to see non-bias medical data about 5 weeks olds responding to stimuli. ~


Me, too.