Can Fetus Feel Pain?

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Can Fetus Feel Pain?
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Fri, 05-22-2009 - 11:17pm

If so, at what point in time - at 6 weeks, 12 weeks, 15 weeks..?

(I posted this question a while back but never checked in to see the response)

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Sun, 05-31-2009 - 9:26pm

"That would depend on whether the administration constituted risk or discomfort to the woman, IMHO."


I agree.

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Registered: 03-15-2005
Sun, 05-31-2009 - 9:34pm

">>Even a 12 week old fetus will respond to painful stimuli.<<


I have seen no solid proof either medical or anecdotal of that so I think that is going a bit overboard."


I should have been more clear - what I mean is that a 12 week old fetus will respond to stimuli that would be painful if it were able to feel pain.

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Mon, 06-01-2009 - 9:33pm

Point 1: Late trimester abortions make up the smallest percent of all abortions preformed



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Tue, 06-02-2009 - 12:41am

If I "had" to terminate a pregnancy, I would want it to be done in the most painless way possible for the fetus.

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Registered: 04-19-2006
Tue, 06-02-2009 - 12:26pm

>>what I mean is that a 12 week old fetus will respond to stimuli that would be painful if it were able to feel pain. I.e. - a fetus being torn apart in a vacuum extraction can bee seen moving frantically, trying to push away from the instrument, elevated heart rate, etc. <<

A fetus will respond the same way to a near traffic accident because the mother feels things and passes chemicals through the placenta

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Thu, 06-04-2009 - 4:34am

http://www.geburtshilfe.usz.ch/Documents/LehreUndForschung/Publikationen/wisser_painperception.pdf


One thing no one can say on this board is that they know, or that anyone knows without a doubt that a fetus or embryo is unable to feel pain. You don't remember the womb, we cannot talk with an embryo or fetus, and scientists haven't come to a conclusion. So we cannot really debate whether or not pain is felt, we can only post studies (biased by whoever does it because you're either for or against). So the point is mute because its a lie to tell women you know that pain isn't felt. One study says one, another says something else. Women's Right to Know billed approved by Planned Parenthood claims 12 weeks is possible, 20 is possible, and 28 is without a doubt possible.


At one time it was believed that minorities didn't feel pain, Margaret Sanger's "Negro Project" where African American women had abortions and were unknowingly sterilized routinely talked about the lesser of this world. Read some of her beliefs and you will see her basis for liberal eugenics. Children were once considered not to feel pain, or feel less pain, however that is disproven. Still many doctors have noticed a fetus is less stressed during

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Registered: 02-17-2009
Thu, 06-04-2009 - 7:34am

I'm having a hard time with this so bear with me so I can try to understand.


Why is it we don't remember things from in the womb?

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Registered: 04-10-2003
Thu, 06-04-2009 - 8:14am

<< Women's Right to Know billed approved by Planned Parenthood claims 12 weeks is possible, 20 is possible, and 28 is without a doubt possible. >>

Can an embryo feel pain?

During pregnancy, human life is medically referred to as an embryo during its first 56, 61, or 91 days (sources differ). Later it is called a fetus until it is born.

The answer is a definite no. The vast majority of pregnancy terminations -- whether due to miscarriages, elective abortions, ectopic pregnancies, etc. occur before the embryo becomes a fetus at or near the end of the first trimester. All of the mechanisms needed for an embryo to feel pain are not present.

Many pro-life groups emphasize that the embryo develops pain sensors about seven weeks after conception. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, they often do not explain the full picture. Many people without medical training naturally assume that the presence of these sensors will enable the embryo to feel pain. However, sensing of pain requires a complete system, including:
bullet Pain sensors to sense the pain,
bullet Nerve pathways to convey pain signals from the sensors, up the spine, and into the brain, and
bullet The existence of higher brain functions to convert those signals into feelings of pain.

Since the full system is not present until after the embryo becomes a fetus, it can be safely concluded that human embryos cannot feel pain.

More about pain:

Pain in an adult, child, newborn or late-term fetus originates as an electrical signal in some of the body's pain receptors. This signal is sent via nerve pathways to the spinal column, then to the thalamus - an egg-shaped structure within the brain. Finally the signal is transferred to the cerebral cortex where it is sensed as pain. In a fetus, the pain receptors develop around 7 weeks after conception; the spino-thalamic system at about 13 weeks. However, the connections to the cortex are established only after about 26 weeks into pregnancy -- well into the third trimester.

bullet Some pro-life advocates believe that pain can be felt by the fetus when these systems are only partly formed.
bullet Most physicians, medical researchers, and pro-choice advocates believe that the complete system has to be "wired up" before the fetus can feel pain - i.e. sometime after about 26 weeks into pregnancy. As noted above, some believe that a fetus cannot feel pain until after birth, no matter how far the pregnancy has developed.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_pain1.htm

Since you can't prove a negative, fee free to disregard. However, I'll side with reason on this one.

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Thu, 06-04-2009 - 1:58pm

Hi :)

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Registered: 08-15-2008
Thu, 06-04-2009 - 2:41pm

I don't think it matters in a legal sense.